Can any business owner trust this regime?
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96 sats \ 2 replies \ @galt 17 Feb
Meaning that before they were discouraging entrepreneurship? The central planner mindset is a disease where everything looks like a lever to pull and voila central planner magic happens
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 17 Feb
And most central planners don't call themselves communists. Its a disease in pretty much every government. I believe as long as you monopoly governments (states) you will be fighting against central planning.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 17 Feb
‘People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the publick, or in some contrivance to raise prices’.
Adam Smith
The state has an legitimate role to regulate and control businesses to prevent them becoming rentseeking parasites.
It also must legitimately control the outputs of business where they impose a cost on the wider environment otherwise you are effectively subsidising the relevant enterprises at the expense all other citizens and often also future citizens.
The state must ideally stand above private corporate interests in order to perform these roles- the modern corporate sponsored western 'democracy' fails in this- the current Chinese regime mostly appears to succeed in this- thus in large part its phenomenal economic success to date.
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74 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 17 Feb
No, but you might roll the dice on getting stupid rich off of the next misguided attempts to create growth through state programs.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 17 Feb
Far more new millionaires and billionaires are created every day in modern China than in the USA.
And their wealth is far more derived from real productive outputs and trade than ephemeral tertiary financial derivatives.
The wealth of most Chinese citizens is rising and the relative future prospects and expectations of Chinese people are generally brighter than those in the US.
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56 sats \ 5 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 17 Feb
China is a mixed economy where the state often dictates to capital the direction of capital allocation.
But the survival of the CCP also depends upon the performance of the economy- since Deng at least and the departure from hardline Communist ideology it is economic improvements that prevent any serious challenge to the CCPs authority.
So the Chinese government operates on a modern equivalent of the Mandate of Heaven where it is highly incentivised to enable economic growth, or risk removal.
Jack Mas challenge to the state with his Alipay platform (which challenged the states Yuan CBDC protocol) was responded to with harsh restrictions but he is now again at the table.
Chinese people generally accept this model as the danger of allowing corporate interests to override broader economic advance is real.
The US used to do this with anti trust laws but today the US is a crony capitalist economy with capital dictating to the government how and where capital flows.
The mixed economy model has shown superior results when applied both in China and the US and China is the one still applying it and China is the one advancing its economy while US power and wealth withers.
Trumps humiliating appeasement of Putin signals US retreat in the face of the Chinese backed Russian proxy march upon Europe.
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 OP 17 Feb
So you believe China's economy is strong and will get stronger?
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72 sats \ 1 reply \ @Solomonsatoshi 17 Feb
Can you think of any nation that can afford not to trade with China?
Can you name any nation that enjoys such massive trade surpluses with other nations?
Chinas economic growth has been built upon its size and scale and ability to clone western technology to its planned infrastructure and workforce giving it the ability to process and add value to raw materials and export them in a way that no other nations can compete with.
Chinas sphere of influence has of necessity grown as this process of unparalleled economic growth has occurred. Wealth brings complex obligations.
China must now secure the global trade routes, payments protocols and institutional dominance that its global trade dominance implies.
This is a difficult transition and obviously resisted by the west that has enjoyed global resource and institutional hegemony for centuries.
Looking at the results of the last 4-5 decades China has won the trade war- it can pay the best price for commodities and can export the manufactured goods those commodities are transformed into at the most competitive prices.
Chinas reverse engineering of western manufacturing processes has decimated western manufacturing capacity. China now controls the supply chains of most everyday manufactured product lines.
To move beyond winning the trade war China must logically gain greater control over the global institutions which western hegemony is built upon.
It was British banks based in Hong Kong backed by British military force that subjugated the Chinese economy and sovereignty to western resource hegemony.
China has not forgotten The Opium Wars.
Today China is reverse engineering the global trade payments routes via Hong Kong.
Increasingly Chinese trade with other nations is settled outside of USD/SWIFT system.
These alternative trade payments mechanisms are a direct challenge to US hegemony.
They already support Iran and Russia and increasingly BRICS and other nations.
China now finances far more global infrastructure investment than the World Bank.
China is building its tertiary Belt and Road institutions and protocols bypassing and competing with those of the west.
The west is in mostly denial about the scale and extent of this...certainly in terms of what is discussed in public/MSM narratives at least.
Trade and war are not distant cousins, they are siblings.
China appears to be continuing its advance as a rising empire gaining ground on a declining west.
Trumps appeasement of Putin is also a concession to China - without China buying the gas that Europe now does not get(but instead imports from USA and elsewhere) and without China enabling alternative trade payments to SWIFT, Russia would not have been able to continue its attack on Ukraine.
Ditto Iran.
China like all rising empires, has reached the stage where its growth requires global power projection- and it is forced to achieve it or falter in its growth.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 OP 17 Feb
Lots of food for thought. Thanks
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14 sats \ 1 reply \ @7e6e393a56 17 Feb
Reading your comment, I understood that the definition that best fits China is:
-Market socialism (joking term to hide that it is capitalist)
Because Communism is not... maybe at the time of Mao Tse Tung.
There are countless billionaires in China in strategic sectors and their companies, despite state control, were not expropriated as they should have been according to the father of communism, Karl Marx.
If Chinese economic advancement continues like this, what will stop them from being an imperialist nation? The future will tell us
In conclusion, any nation on the planet is controlled... By the State or Billionaires in the market. There has never been a power vacuum in the world
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 17 Feb
'Socialism with Chinese characteristics consists of a path, a theory, a system and a culture.' wikipedia - they go on to say it has evolved since Deng.
Since Deng China has been a mixed economy with the state always maintaining the upper hand and the market providing huge growth.
So far it's success has been phenomenal.
The market got out of hand in the real estate sector but now is being reigned in.
Western financiers will bear a large share of the cost-
https://fortune.com/2024/02/08/evergrande-liquidation-99-percent-haircut-hedge-funds/
Limiting parasitic rentseeking market capture cartel behaviour by private interests is a legitimate state role as is providing infrastructure and inputs at cost to enable competitive advantage over other nations- China does all this- the west no longer does and so has lost competitive advantage, market share and trade surpluses to China.
China has won the trade war.
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