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10 sats \ 10 replies \ @unschooled 9 Apr \ parent \ on: Will SN Go Back To A Custodial Wallet Option? meta
I'm not sure why the dig on Gigi is here, though maybe I'm not up on the latest gossip.
In the speech @anon is referring to, he said a lot that jives with the ethos of SN. My take was that he is aligned with being anti-attention economy, and is in favour of internet native-money-payments to coordinate the future of an information-economy.
Imho, nostriches, in general, seem to be paddling upstream in many ways... my pleb take.
For anyone curious, the speech being referred to was posted on SN #927206
His video was great, until he said "you can't fake zaps" which is completely wrong, see #928481. But nostriches don't seem to care since nobody replied with a good answer to my question. Someone said he meant "you can't fake sats" and then mentioned nutzaps/cashu as the solution where mints can literally print fake sats ... but see the thread for yourself:
This issue with zaps results in either fake zaps (so you can't use them for anything interesting, else they will be gamed, so no, zaps on nostr are not a solution to the attention economy) or only zap receipts from trusted LNURL providers show up in clients.
I recently learned that apparently clients already decided that they will only show zap receipts from trusted LNURL providers so if you're running your own node, you're a second-class citizen on nostr. Nostriches just don't seem to care about non-custodial usage (it's literally embracing cashu as we speak) and yet people like Gigi declare nostr as the winning protocol when it's more like this:
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I'm not technically inclined enough to catch these nuances but that made sense the way you explained it.
I tend to think along the lines of what is written here, #776163, where relay data permanence and the notion of "decentralization" are called into question wrt nostr. Also, discoverability is unintuitive at best.
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Oh yeah - there is like an army of influencers out there shilling it like crazy while I've not ever seen much tangible proofs of what could ever warrant this level of enthusiasm.
That said, I do find it very encouraging that these days the advantages afforded by emergent tech tends to be inverted1, compared to the past where it was the government and their agencies doing the r/d (think internet, tor etc..) Protocols being developed by ordinary programmers, seen from this lens, seems an improvement.
As a user of their protocol, I have my gripes, although I try to stay away from having a strong opinion, since there's lots going on that I don't see/understand. Tor network is almost 30 years old and is neither widely appreciated, nor very well understood by the mainstream, although it certainly has its use cases....
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This is a very based take.
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btw, also don't trust me, consider me highly biased since I work on SN
For all you kids listening st home, definitely be leery and don't trust anybody telling you to keep an open mind and not drink the kool-aid. Bad. Bad. BADDD IDEA!!!!!!! 😅
will only show zap receipts from trusted LNURL providers so if you're running your own node, you're a second-class citizen on nostr.
Oh yea - and fuck that. If I can't use my node no thanks.
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Well - you see, with custodial solutions you end up with regulations that make them unavailable within certain imaginary limitations defined "nation states" So.... yea. Couldn't be bothered anyway
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Janet likey!
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