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77 sats \ 8 replies \ @ek 17 Apr \ parent \ on: What do you think is a fair way of dealing with cheaters? AskSN
This sounds very idealistic to me. That’s unfortunately not how society works.
For example, I did cheat in college to pass some stupid requirements to get my proof of paper (Bachelor’s degree) and I would say I turned out fine. I obviously don’t know where I would be if I didn’t cheat but I think it’s reasonable to assume not having this proof of paper would have kept some doors closed so that I might not be working for SN right now.
The paper does not account for getting a marginally better grade. I don't disagree with you but there is no record in my resume of getting a B on a class 20 years ago...
But if I learned more then I don't regret it.
If your goal is to get the paper... you achieved it. That doesn't affect the person that was sitting next to you who didn't cheat. When I was an adult in college trying to get that piece of paper I had to deal with this because students around me were doing things that did affect me. If they cheated on a test... not so much.
I think we over-focus on grades. I've learned far more since I left school. I don't get a grade for a book I read or a project I finished. Schools are literally unlike anything we experience in real life. They are fake environments designed to turn us into machines.
If you wanna see who is learning in a classroom do group projects. I hated them because it almost always ended up being me and one other person doing the work. These people probably cheated on tests too. Now that affected me. Not carrying their own weight.
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there is no record in my resume of getting a B on a class 20 years ago...
Of course not, because it has been 20 years. Grades become irrelevant the moment you have better proof of skills, but when you’re fresh out of college that’s mostly all you have.
That doesn't affect the person that was sitting next to you who didn't cheat.
It would if we apply to the same job and they don’t get employed because they have no degree while I do. It’s not that deep.
I think we over-focus on grades.
Yes but do you have a better idea to get a quick assessment of the “skills” of a whole generation of people?
“Skills” because I agree, school isn’t there to make us happy, it’s there to know who can follow arbitrary rules the best and that’s a good prediction if you’ll be easy to work with hence you’re more likely to get a job.
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Are your replies a collab work? @ek
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