Haven't listened to it. I don't listen to most of the episodes of that show but Perkins is interesting and not your typical bitcoin podcast guest. From the left to boot. Was glad to hear he is open to bitcoin and going to speak at a bitcoin conf. I disagree with him on some things but there's a lot of common ground I find with him and his book really opened my eyes to what is wrong with the relationship of the US gov and corporations. This was before bitcoin was invented too.