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I had a rough weekend visiting two old buddies who happen to both be very sick and nearing the end. Friends gathered in the city where we all met in college, which happened to also be where they both live. I ran into some people who I haven't seen for years.
At some point I got into a conversation with one of them. Due to a disability, he has not worked in years. He is now retirement age and trying to get by in the US on social security and a small retirement account. He is politically left of center.
He was ranting about Trump and the way he is destroying his investments, when he said "I'll tell you one thing I will never sell, and that's bitcoin. "
I couldn't believe it. I played dumb and asked why. He asked me if I noticed how bitcoin hadn't gotten crushed that badly lately. He explained that he heard RFK jr say that he had most of his wealth in bitcoin. I feigned complete ignorance, curious to hear what he was thinking.
He explained that RFK jr and the whole Trump team are planning to prop "crypto" up and get rich off of it while they destroy the economy. They will all make a killing in bitcoin.
I nodded. I asked him at what price he had bought bitcoin. He told me 78 dollars. I gasped. I asked how many years ago he had bought it. He said only 6 months ago. I said I thought it was like $90 k. He then says, "no, the Fidelity ETF is at like $82 now." He then explained to me that nobody buys actual bitcoin. You just buy the ETF. It's safer and easier.
There was no time for me to dig into the conversation. I realized that there must be a lot of people with a skewed idea of bitcoin out there, buying up microstrategy and ETFs. It was depressing, but maybe this is part of that "sly, roundabout way."
130 sats \ 5 replies \ @purpurato 6h
this post reads just like this meme
i had that same conversation just a couple of weeks ago!
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36 sats \ 3 replies \ @purpurato 6h
Sorry for your friends @siggy47 πŸ™
I just realized memes might not be the appropriate reply here
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@siggy47 take it easy, he's only laughing at his friend's ignorance. πŸ’
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memes are life and life is a meme. Is a good meme and appropriate.
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No, that's fine. That meme was spot on.
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57 sats \ 0 replies \ @villawolf 8h
Your story moves me. Sometimes, in vulnerability, the most real things come to light. Your friend doesn’t have bitcoin, but he already believes in it. The message is getting through, even if distorted.
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He then says, "no, the Fidelity ETF is at like $82 now." He then explained to me that nobody buys actual bitcoin. You just buy the ETF. It's safer and easier.
HAHAHA, this story took a dark turn, LOL!
Fucksake, we have some work to do.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 OP 8h
I have been thinking about this since I got home. The weird thing is that if there really are a lot of boomers out there, with their giant retirement accounts, thinking the same way as he is, they may all eventually benefit financially from bitcoin for all the wrong reasons. Of course it's a different story if the ETFs blow up in a paper mess (coinbase)
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They're not wrong about safer and easier though... there are some friends of mine who I wouldn't be comfortable recommending self custody to... I definitely would worry about the risk of them losing their keys or getting scammed.
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Lol
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Actually at some point I started thinking about checking up bitcoin ETFs
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66 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 8h
Quite the plot twist with the $78 bitcoin. Haha
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I spend a decent amount of time in a few discords dedicated to online "social" casinos (the ones that basically get around most gambling laws), and there's some crypto talk there, all of which is around either investment strategies like this, or in the cases of the casinos that payout in btc or crypto, how to get it to an exchange to sell it. I long ago gave up trying to convince folks there otherwise.
Sorry about that weekend -- losing folks you've known that long is tough.
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Thanks for the good wishes. Yeah, I think it would take a while, in a series of conversations, to actually help one of these people to understand bitcoin.
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I asked him at what price he had bought bitcoin. He told me 78 dollars.
For a sec I thought he'd been an OG
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At this point I got instant question: "How this ignorant person still hasn't sold it?"
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Couldn't figure out how, obviously
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Indeed I don't know how to sell, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask
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He thinks the fix is in. Trump will keep it propped up.
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36 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 8h
That is depressing but also "sly, roundabout way."
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36 sats \ 0 replies \ @Car 8h
Gosh my condolences.
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A digital gold it is in their minds
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So, I'm not really sold on the Bitcoin ETF, but I'm always kinda thinkin', is it better to have it than just nothin' at all? What do you guys, the stackers, think?
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21 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 8h
Its an ETF so IMO if you have cash never buy it because it's not actually bitcoin. Buy and self custody bitcoin. But many people buy bitcoin on Coinbase and leave it on the exchange. The more I think about it they more I think that this is more risky than the ETF. But it's so easy to pull the coins so do that.
The only scenario I think of for the ETF is a tax advantaged retirement account. You can buy anything but bitcoin. ETF is the next best thing. You could get rugged but unlikely. If you do we are in a really bad situation and you better have actual bitcoin.
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Why do you think the ETF is less risky than an exchange?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 6h
I should narrow what I'm thinking here and I could be wrong.
Here's where that is coming from. The legal protections of funds on an exchange I believe are weaker than the protections of an ETF. There's a much higher standard to get an ETF approved vs. starting up an exchange. Some of this is offset if you use Coinbase since most of the ETFs use Coinbase but it Coinbase goes belly up you better believe the ETFs get more attention than some pleb with 50 million sats on an account.
The trade-off though is that you can very easily take custody of your bitcoin if it is on an exchange and you can't with an ETF. And I would never suggest someone that wants to get into bitcoin buy the ETF. But I would also never say buy bitcoin on Coinbase and leave it there...
Additionally not all exchanges are equal so that's not fair of me. Coinbase is likely much better than some random exchange that started last week.
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I actually do recommend Coinbase to people. Ultimately, I'd recommend that they take their Bitcoin off Coinbase, but it's a stepping stone on the path to learning, imo. The reason I view it more highly than an ETF is because you actually can move your Bitcoin off the exchange, and thus it actually is a step towards eventual self sovereignty.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 6h
Yeah, I don't disagree provided they will move the bitcoin. That's the specific scenario I'm thinking of. If you refuse to custody and will never change your mind (impossible to know I guess) then the ETF might be more safe. Might be...
That said I have never recommended the ETF to anyone other than someone that had money in a tax advantaged account and didn't want to move to Unchained or cash it out.
It is a foot in the door. Some of these ETF buyers will dig deeper and buy Bitcoin from Coinbase and some even P2P.
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36 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 9h
Poor man! A few days ago my bank also gave me a free option to invest in foreign stocks and I saw there was MSTR as well. The reason that more people are skewed is how easily Bitcoin ETFs reached to everyone through investment accounts.
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you made me laugh so hard today!
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I wonder if you will reach out to this friend later and correct his gross misconception - even if you have kinda reunited after a hiatus of several years
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with all the bitcoin knowledge and life awareness u have, what gave u the right to say nothing back to a man that is unknowingly or ignorantly letting his fruits of labor disappear into oblivion? how is education supposed to spread without people education each other?
u cud simply say "that is not real bitcoin," and that "safe & easy is not real," or something thought-provoking, short & sweet. u cud give him the youtube channel "Bitcoin University." instead u gave up on a man and walked away - this is probably why ur weekend felt rough.
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102 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 OP 8h
We were standing around the bed of a dying friend.
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72 sats \ 2 replies \ @zapsammy 7h
damn now that makes me sounds toxic af. safe afterlife travels....
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 2h
Better watch this comedy series of Ricky Gervais: After Life https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8398600 Amazing one.
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NP. Luckily I have his contact info and I do plan to talk to him on the phone about it when all this is over.
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36 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 8h
Shaking my head. Stackers.... gotta love um. Someone was gonna say it.
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I wouldn't have it any other wayπŸ˜€
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