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As I mature, my permaculture fantasies have mostly been replaced by a fantasy of financial and material austerity like this. It's a kind of vague and fleeting fantasy, but so romantic to part of me. "Look there at that side, its grass is so green," it says. Maybe this is how the painter, the one I used to imagine I'd be, would've lived.
Some go so far as to say that young Americans ought to move to foreign countries, where life is cheaper, the weather is “better,” and prospects all around seem more favorable. Yet I’m not so sure. It seems to me that there are a great many opportunities right here in our own country that would amply address the various grievances of so many of our nation’s young people. In fact, were it to be that any of those who seek a simpler, more straightforward, more affordable way of life matched themselves up with the various regions in which that kind of a life is on offer in spades — it just might make our country better. For, the places with inexpensive housing are often in great need of new blood; such places could often use the vigor, enthusiasm, and life that only young newcomers seem to bring.
For reasons I have been unable to discern, Massena is one of the poorest, least-desirable places not only in New York State, but in the United States at large. True enough; it’s very far to any large American city here — yet on the flip-side, it’s within very close distance of two major Canadian cities, and so you’d wonder if that’d make up for it. Apparently, it doesn’t. For though I personally find the area to be among my favorite in the United States, and in spite of having some of the lowest housing costs in America — the combination of distance from the rest of the US, a sub-optimal job market, a conservative culture (too conservative for the liberals), a liberal state government (too liberal for the conservatives), and perhaps above all, the endlessly “dreary” weather (which has far more upsides that it is presently popular to admit) has altogether conspired to make this place a totally forgotten hinterland.
With a flip phone for communication — at $8/mo from US Mobile — and a willingness to entertain oneself by reading books from the library and fishing, one’s total monthly expenses could look something like this:
Taxes: $41 Electric: ~$30 Water: $0 Heat: Transit: $53 for a 30-ride pass for each person living there, assuming you go to town 3x per week at $2/trip. Multiple options to take the bus to town each day from this location. Food: ~$300/mo. Telephone: $8/mo Entertainment: Fishing and library, free Internet: Use library
This altogether totals up to about $432/mo, or $5,184/yr for a single person. And for those who might be quick to point out that there could be a dearth of jobs there, note that when people say “there are no jobs” in a given area, they generally mean that there are no jobs that could produce a normal, upper-middle-class lifestyle there. Which, even in Massena and Ogdensburg isn’t entirely true. But even if it were, the Stewart’s gas stations in both towns are actively hiring part-time cashiers at $17/hr. These places will let you work just one day a week if you like, and seem to be pretty good about flexible hours. In this case, you could work just one ten-hour shift per week, and in so doing, earn more than 30% of what you need to live well at this particular house with just four days of work per month.
We're trying to scale down, although going to that extreme no longer appeals. It's a good exercise to think about what's worth spending on (working for).
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 13h
I could stack a lot more sats if my monthly expenses were only $432 a month. I don't think my family would be too happy about this lifestyle change though. Sorry kids, no wifi, go fishing.
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I'm reminded of the Dave Chapelle observation that "man would live in a cardboard box if woman would fuck him".
He then extrapolates that civilization is downstream of this pressure: woman desires, man produces. And as Stacker News would note, the economies of scale that produce these cheap industrial goods (e.g. $0 water that comes out of your sink and leaves your toilet) are only available in a high employment participation society. (See also: South Africa, Tesla humanoid robots)
Another satirical and more wholesome critique that comes to mind is E.B. White's Walden essay, a response to Thoreau's frugal cabin in the wood's lifestyle:
The expense of my brief sojourn in Concord was: Canvas shoes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $1.95 Baseball bat . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .25 ) gifts to take back Left-handed fielder’s glove . . . . . . . . . . 1.25 ) to a boy Hotel and meals . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.25 In all . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $7.70 As you see, this amount was almost what you spent for food for eight months. I cannot defend the shoes or the expenditure for shelter and food: they reveal a meanness and grossness in my nature which you would find contemptible. The baseball equipment, however, is the kind of impediment with which you were never on even terms. You must remember that the house where you practiced the sort of economy which I respect was haunted only by mice and squirrels. You never had to cope with a shortstop.
Thoreau and Hickman (the OP essay) make us ask what is the human cost of making a living? Chapelle reminds us of the social / collective cost of everyone pulling back. And White reminds us, what is cost to those we love when chose to live by contributing so little?
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How is water $0?
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Lots of fresh water in the region iirc
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Bath/shower? Or using public sick?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 18h
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The house that's for sale has a well.
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Heat is 0 I assume because your heat will come from bitcoin mining
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Yes with 'access to the cheapest municipal electric in the United States, which presently sells for just $0.04/kwh.' it could well do- though I would want a woodstove for cooking on. With a 1/4 acre you could grow most of your own firewood in the long term and he mentions the local Amish have cheap or free wood off cuts from their timber mill.
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When I was still a teenager I bought my first house in an old coal mining village for NZ$6000. That was one years wages as a storeman back then. We kept chickens and a garden and hunted for meat and fur. Grew exotic herb for cash. Spent time in the bush beaches and rivers hunting and fishing and just soaking up and learning the beauty and power of nature. Picked coal of the railway tracks down from where the wagons were loaded and would drop some off as they were hauled off. There was work if you wanted it, mostly hard physical work like fishing which could earn a good income for just 2 months work/year. I learned how to build and renovate and after a few years moved back to the city and worked my way up the property ladder, but those days in the country town were good ones. Living in the country is empowering and most things you do save you money or make you money unlike the city where almost everything costs you money. The linked article states 'access to the cheapest municipal electric in the United States, which presently sells for just $0.04/kwh.' Maybe a good place to mine Bitcoin and chill out.
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what about your living place ? Share house ?
Do you have any pics ?
what do you eat exactly?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 18h
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Nice
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Gooooood
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