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Yeah, you can only say "MoE is a distraction" if you only use Bitcoin like "just another asset, which is a very good asset because it's designed for NgU". And we have one here in Spain saying the same in YT channels, conferences and TVs...

Bitcoin can only give you freedom if you're able to use it without permission, and when cash is banned. So you MUST be able to SPEND it. If the distopic situation happens, and all the on/off-ramps are closed, wtf are you going to do with your "asset", even if you have it in a cold wallet? What are you going to do with your "asset" when they tell you "500 grams maximum meat a month per person"?. "You can always move to another country where Bitcoin is not forbidden". Yeah, but people cannot fucking move when they want. We have families, we have jobs, we have friends. I don't want to move to the other side of the world with my "asset" to be able to feed my children...

I agree here with Gregg Foss: this is not about me getting rich. I could have that if BTC does a x20 again... This is about our children. I want to die peacefully knowing that there is a new world of freedom, and that my children will have a good life, irrespective of who is ruling the country. By the way, Saylor does not have children, and I think the same is true for our national Saylor...

Maybe the difference is taxes. I think taxes in USA are lower, but the state provides less services.

In Spain, just having an average salary, the state takes 50% of the money your company pays you.

Hey @pako!

I think you're maybe in a stage like mine (I don't know if you saw my 2 posts here).

"I love Bitcoin, but I hate bitcoiners" is what I say lately. I cannot believe we have to witness what we're witnessing. We've passed from saying that Monero is a shitcoin, to saying that the future of Bitcoin scaling is using a token that a guy minted in his basement with his raspberry, and that it needs to be integrated in every wallet. Now you only need to wait for the guy to have a broken SD card, or in the bigger cases, the FEDs to raid his home and take all the electronics. Boom! Money lost. So much for scaling Bitcoin!

I've never used Monero up to today, but I will use it before using eCash tokens or Fedi. That's for sure!

I think in the end, most bitcoiners are here not because of the freedom (the cypherpunk way), but because of the NgU. You only have to see big OGs shilling ETFs, Microstrategy stock, or "$1M before end of year". It's so frustrating, and makes you think if people proposing other advanced scaling solutions are wrong, or we're wrong because we've been following the wrong people... right?

Ahhh... ok :)

Maybe you can try Keet?

What were you expecting after latest accomplishments? Shilling custodial solutions (eCash, Fedi), custodial "Federations" (Liquid)... Half of bitcoin influencers and podcasters selling their MSTR stocks that they bought meanwhile they were telling you "100% in Bitcoin and I'm never selling", and the other half buying BTC ETFs because "it's almost imposible that BlackRock falls, it's too big".

What a shit-show...

Yeah, we have a meetup, and we have a few places to buy some drinks with sats. But beyond that, I almost cannot pay for anything with them...

I guess the most important outcome of the question and the set of answers is going to be something like "Then why don't you do it today, even if the world is not ending"?

I'm not good at that. I ask if they accept bitcoin at places where I buy, but they laugh nervously, like if I asked "Do you sell cocaine?" or something... So what would you do there?

Very inspiring!

I'm very envious to see that. I live in a 5 million people city and I can't barely use my bitcoin to buy anything...

Thanks a lot for bringing this :)

Indeed. When I walk on the street, if there is a La Caixa office nearby, I cross the street, just in case...

Just 1/3 to 1/2? Tell me where you live so I can move :)

Video not available right now, at least in my country.

Yes. I guess that at least we should "undo" the segwit discount, so people trying to inscribe shit is not in advantage over people trying to transfer money...

Thanks a lot, friend.

Gracias a ti por responder.

I don't think the truth should be in the middle. Sometimes the truth is at one of the extremes. The truth is the truth, not something that we choose to not be called extremist...

But I agree with your first sentence.

Yeah, that too...

I agree with you. But one thing is to have Lightning as a layer 2, and another is having Cashu, which is a new token generated in a new server. If the server falls down or is taken down, you lose the money.

I don't know that one. I know the "hodl invoices" (or whatever is called) implemented by Zeus, but other actors like Mutiny said that "it's not good for the ecosystem" or something :)