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Wait, is Reddit still a thing?

That's what we do on Plebeian Market, BTW.

The only way to log in is with a Lightning wallet.

The only way to bid is using a Lightning wallet.

Would actually be interesting for SN if a Lightning wallet would be required to post as well. So the sats to post would have to come from a Lightning wallet.

Hey, see the comment below about selling it. I decided that I had the wrong attitude from the beginning. I'll set up an auction on Plebeian Market - so the person taking over has to be willing to part some sats (skin in the game).

Good point. You just made me change my mind. I'll auction it on Plebeian Market then. I guess capitalism will win, eventually. Communism just doesn't work.

I don't want to sell it. I'll either find the next person to pick it up, or let it die...

Very good questions.

It's hard for me to answer because of two reasons:

  1. I've always kept adding more features as well, I never thought about the minimum required time to keep it updated.
  2. It's been a while, so probably some stuff might break now. The more often the updates, the less issues.

That being said, the process is quite simple. It's just one Dockerfile (a template actually) that builds for two separate Debian versions - bullseye and buster (to be used on Citadel and Umbrel) and two architectures.

There are constants for Bitcoin, LND and BoS versions, and the rest of the apps are git submodules that require being updated to the last tags.

These steps can probably be automated quite easily.

The actual builds for buster/bullseye (which basically means Umbrel/Citadel) and architectures (x64/arm64) are done by GitHub jobs on push, but I always prefer to do extra builds locally, because some errors always occur on updates, and I prefer to keep the git history clean and only push what kinda works. But I guess this is not a requirement if somebody else takes over. SO it could work without local builds in theory.

So, usually I do one build locally that I then push to an Umbrel and test, and I assume that if this works, it is very likely to also work on x64 Umbrel and Citadel...

This whole part could arguably be also automated, probably with simply adding some tests that would run as GitHub jobs after build on all platforms...

What can also be considered is dropping some apps that are not really relevant. I loved including some nice extra stuff like csview or gping, because I thought they are at least remotely useful to a node operator, and they were a nice touch, but of course - the more you add, the more trouble you'll have. If the future releases would be limited to just the Lightning stuff, complexity of updates would be certainly lower.

I guess ultimately it would be nice to just find somebody that either 1) is a node operator and wants to do this out of passion OR 2) has another interest in doing this (for example selling a node solution and thus having an indirect benefit from this).

Of course everything could be simplified and reduced to the bare minimum, plus with some extra automation the time required would decrease. But it would also be nice to have somebody that actually loves this and wants to take it further - not from pure altruism, but either for learning or for some other (indirect) benefit. So that person would give more than the bare minimum required to update the apps to this.


Thanks! Building it has helped me a lot - that's how I started getting down the Lightning rabbit hole, and I am sure there are many more that it helped along the way (who might have never ended up trying all these tools in the first place).

Once upon a time, I was probably in high school, I had time to try out everything. I was a happy Slackware user at the time, but tried all the BSDs as well (been running FreeBSD as well for a while). For some reason I always remembered OpenBSD as the most pleasant of all OSes I tried, I don't know why.

But yes, then work happened... Windows, then OSX and Linux... Years passed by. I was buying MBP after MBP every couple of years, as they would break down for various reasons, becoming obsolete, impossible to fix... but hey - the employer always paid for the last MBP, and ... isn't MBP the default tool for a programmer?

But now, no more. I am slowly transitioning to OpenBSD and I am not getting any job that provides free MBPs. Those things are simply disgusting.

It was incredibly smooth. I think it is de-Googled by default (that was my main rationale for moving to it) but I did install the Play Store on it post-factum. Some apps exist only in the Play Store unfortunately. At least this allows for a smooth transition - you can keep using some apps from the Play Store, while you slowly find alternatives.

  1. OpenBSD. I feel like I have wasted 10+ years of my life using Mac OS and Linux. Moving to OpenBSD is so refreshing! I still have one laptop running Ubuntu, but slowly moving my main workflow to OpenBSD. It's all so clean and beautiful!

  2. Sonic Pi. Since I am playing various flutes, I needed somebody to play along with. Sonic Pi is much more than that though, and I am slowly discovering it. The nice part is you can do "live coding" - basically edit the code while the music is playing during a live performance. Trying to see how better I can integrate this into my workflow. Especially with the OpenBSD thing (I am still working on porting Sonic Pi to OpenBSD).

  3. ... like I mentioned above - flutes. I particularly like the Romanian "kaval" but also the Romanian "telenka" which is an "overtone flute", like the Slovakian fujara (but much smaller) - it doesn't have finger holes, and is very easy to play by beginners, but also very versatile.

  4. Moved my phone to Graphene OS (first step was to move from iPhone to Android, and get used to it, then I took the big step to move to Graphene, which was not such a complicated move actually).

  5. Raspberry Pi Zero is very cool for having various sensors around the house. Played with it for a while, made my Umbrel collect data from the various Pi Zeros and generate some graphs. Like a poor man's "home automation" - I don't want a "smart home" at all actually, but I love the temperature sensors with graphs over time.

  6. Battery power tools are very cool, I now have angle grinder, boring machines, reciprocating saw, ... all sharing the same batteries, which is cool, and I end up using them more often because of the lack of cables. Not sure whether I should go with battery powered for the chainsaw, I'll probably give it a try, but I feel like my main chainsaw will always be gasoline powered.

  7. Looking to buy a power generator, I think the best is the one that can do gasoline + GPL, what do you guys thing? I have some bigger GPL tanks that I can use to stock gas, so I can keep my freezer alive during the great reset, I feel like gasoline is harder to store. The best way to store diesel is having my van's tank always full, but still not as convenient as GPL tanks, which you easily move around.

  8. Want to start raising sheep. Didn't happen this year, as life got busy with other things, but looking forward to buy some lambs next spring.

It was nice. Unfortunately it is not maintained anymore.

We are currently an MVP, not even alpha quality. Some form of decentralized IDs is high on our TODO list, but we had to start somewhere...

We considered Twitter is a good start, since we need some way for people to recognize others (an informal reputation sort of thing). We'll leave that behind eventually, Twitter will become one of the various identities you can link to your account, KeyBase-style, and it will all be optional.

The whole thing is actually built to be decentralized and unstoppable. While we run the instance at plebeian.market for you, you can run your own instance, with your own modifications to the code (which is GPL), hosting any auctions you care about (whether antiques or used cars), in which case you can have your own rules.

Top-down financing is antithetical to organic growth, which is the essence of life. Nobody got rich winning the lottery.

Money is certainly not a bad thing, but you have to also earn your place in the world before you ask for more.

Plebeian Market is much simpler in what it does compared to OpenBazaar, but we think that in the long run it'll get much further, exactly because we are hungry and foolish.

The fact that Brian Hoffman, after failing that, went on to build auctions on centralized blockchains is quite telling: he understands "decentralization" without understanding Decentralization. Decentralization starts with the plebs, from the roots.

It'll come soon. So far, the listings are only posted on Twitter. This is more of an MVP of a much bigger vision we are working towards.

Can I list my own?


Auctions on top of Lightning. Still early stage. Will evolve into something much bigger than eBay, so stay tuned!

Cool! I hope you make it easier to be followed across different media once you start your journey!