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86 comments \ @saloon 22 Jun \ yesterday

Howdy there, partner! Welcome on into the Stacker Saloon.

Saddle on up to a stool and spill the beans about your day, fire away with them questions, or let loose and give us the lowdown on your wild and woolly life. We're all ears, so don't hold back!

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 15h

Day 343 of nut 🌰 dropping 🥜 in the Saloon

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33 sats \ 4 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 23 Jun

How do you post a podcast from somewhere other than YouTube, X or Facebook? I tried to do it using the imbed function from the site but it didn’t work. It is an audio podcast. @k00b @ek

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @k00b 23h

You have an audio file, you mean? It might work by uploading it like a video. If it’s on fountain or Wavlake or Spotify it should embed.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 8h

I have something from Spreaker it is in embed type, I think. I tried it but it didn't show the podcast, only the imbed link.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 8h

We only support a few embeds: youtube, nostr, twitter, spotify, fountain, and wavlake ... oh and rumble if it's the embed link.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 8h

That is a really good reason for this one not working! I'll see if I can find it elsewhere that is supported.

150 sats \ 1 reply \ @chungkingexpress 23 Jun

@k00b Shout out to say I love using SN and wanted to see if you might be keen to catchup on The Transformation of Value sometime please?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 23 Jun

Yeah hit me up via email k00b@stacker.news

89 sats \ 0 replies \ @carter 22 Jun

I give you Stacker News on Hacker News

Also sorry for running 30 of the dupe query and running out the connections earlier. It goes in batches of 5 now

156 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

I've been watching what some pro-Israel media are saying, and it's wild that some are claiming that Israel is finally secure because the last remaining existential threat has been wiped out. That just seems so crazy to me... if I were Israeli I would feel less secure than ever right now!

But, maybe that's not fair--I'm not Israeli and I can't speak for them.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @fauxfoe 22 Jun

If the Israelis are so secure, why are they opening the airport tomorrow for evacuation flights?

1868 sats \ 3 replies \ @plebpoet 22 Jun

unfinished portrait of my cat shaping up pretty well! using a large brush so I have to make imprecise decisions

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @beejay 22 Jun

This is adorable.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @sox 22 Jun

thank you I love this

29 sats \ 0 replies \ @plebpoet 22 Jun

well thank you!

122 sats \ 21 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

If everyone is using AI to summarize long documents so they can understand what was written in them, why aren't people just writing what they mean to say in less words?

123 sats \ 2 replies \ @fauxfoe 22 Jun

Having built AI summary interfaces for clients, I can say this stuff is not as simplistic as people think. And only the most simplistic analysis could conclude that a summary is equivalent to a full treatment.

A document might serve many audiences, some of whom want more or less detail. Sometimes the summary is enough but you want the detail there in case you want to dive in on some aspect or another.

Maybe you want the summary to know if it's worth reading in full.

And summaries are not one-size-fits-all. When I ask AI to summarize something, I ask it to pull out specific things I care about. You might summarize it differently because you care about other things.

A summary is a lens. It distorts. It also magnifies. Lensed views are useful, but they are not the original.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 18h

These are great points. Especially describing a summary as a lens. I take it you do not feel summaries compete with the thing they summarize for reader's limited attention?

I have the sensation that many people will ask for a summary of an article and then the article goes into the ever growing heap of tabs to be read. I'm wondering if writers will feel pressure to write in a way that tries to short-cut the summaries (leading with tl;drs or just write massively condensed versions).

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @fauxfoe 14h

I'm no expert on general-purpose AI summaries. I don't use AI for that much. My clients are using it to, e.g., summarize applications so a reviewer can get high-level context. We pull out the info we most care about, which isn't usually duplicative of what the application includes in its intro.

I don't agree that summaries will replace reading the full doc for a lot of people. People already read headlines instead of articles. Now maybe they'll read headline+summary instead of article. That's not terrible.

And writers are already writing tl;dr. Look at Axios. It is popular because it leads with the takeaways. They offer training in how to write like this as a service to corporate customers. If more humans did that, we might need less AI summarizing.

I am so sick of articles that spend a thousand words painting a picture of how the writer came to care about the topic, describing the great-grandparents of the subject of the piece, and musing on the feathers of a bird they saw they day. Get to the point!

I would like a firefox plugin "summarize this page". I haven't installed on yet, but I bet it exists and maybe I should try it.

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 22 Jun

Filling the papers with useless words or padding the papers out is a trick in academia. Nobody else uses it. Try doing it in a business communication and see what happens.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

Either writers are using too many words or the summaries do not convey all the info (okay, perhaps this is the definition of a summary. But still...something doesn't add up)

45 sats \ 15 replies \ @k00b 22 Jun

From #846510:

195 sats \ 14 replies \ @k00b 22 Jun

I think it's perception of value. Same reason book publishers want book >200 pages. The average person measures legitimacy in the laziest way.

102 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

Related to this, I've found that with most non-fiction books you can get 90% of the value out of it just by reading the blurb, the introduction, the chapter headings, and a few reviews.

Deeper dive is only really necessary if you want to engage with the book at an academic level (pulling out quotes, making citations, etc)

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

I suspect you are correct. why do you think people bother with writing all the rest?

More importantly, do you think internet access and AI will eventually reduce all nonfiction to "the blurb, the introduction, chapter headings, and a few reviews"?

112 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

At least for serious non-fiction books, I think academic engagement is a big part of it.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to fill in all the details and cover all the gaps. Otherwise you open yourself up to attacks. So a lot of the "filler", so to speak, is covering all your bases and making sure you address issues from multiple angles to minimize your attack surface.

But in terms of just getting your big picture idea out to a layperson, yeah usually the introductory chapter is enough to make your point.

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100 sats \ 10 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

Meaning you think most writing could be shortened?

Clearly, if I ask chat for a summary of Sofia Petrovna, and treat it as having read the book, I'm missing out. I'm sure nobody does that.

I'm sure much writing can be shortened, but I'm curious if writers will start to feel pressure to write more concisely. Will human writing trend towards the un-summarizable? Maximally condensed writing that doesn't require a summary.

202 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 22 Jun

related paragraph from Good Writing by Paul Graham:

How could trying to make sentences sound good help you do that? The clue to the answer is something I noticed 30 years ago when I was doing the layout for my first book. Sometimes when you're laying out text you have bad luck. For example, you get a section that runs one line longer than the page. I don't know what ordinary typesetters do in this situation, but what I did was rewrite the section to make it a line shorter. You'd expect such an arbitrary constraint to make the writing worse. But I found, to my surprise, that it never did. I always ended up with something I liked better.

I don't think this was because my writing was especially careless. I think if you pointed to a random paragraph in anything written by anyone and told them to make it slightly shorter (or longer), they'd probably be able to come up with something better.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

I think if you pointed to a random paragraph in anything written by anyone and told them to make it slightly shorter (or longer), they'd probably be able to come up with something better.

I don't agree with this. For me, at least, there's this thing where, after I have written a thing and revised it a good deal, sometimes I can't change it.

Not that I don't want to, but further revision becomes circular and gets me exactly back to where I was. I've changed a passage and changed it and changed it and sat on it for a few weeks and then tried again and ended up with word for word what I started with.

Arbitrary constraints are good and helpful, though.

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100 sats \ 5 replies \ @plebpoet 22 Jun

what is poetry

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

Does all good writing trend to poetry?

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112 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 22 Jun

That’d be a lovely result. Great writing tends to be incompressible, compressing tends to lose important things, ime. That doesn’t mean it’s short. It means that it’s free of waste and full of surprise.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jun

Free of waste is so fuzzy though. I went through a time where I tried to make my writing as concise and condensed as possible. Some of it was good, but I think when I've been given myself more freedom with extra words, I've ended up with better. Were they unnecessary words? I don't know.

But with ai's presence, I think we will see pressure on writers (at least those who want to write to be read) to shorten their work.

Hmmm. Saying that, I realize that it may only apply to internet writing (posts, articles, comments and such), novelists and other long form writing may be exempt because conveying info is not the primary goal. Something like this.

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @stack_harder 22 Jun

gave me a chuckle

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

Where's bibi?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Rothbardian_fanatic 22 Jun

Bombs away Donny just lost me.

122 sats \ 3 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 22 Jun

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

What kind of godforsaken library stores health as a string datatype?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @fauxfoe 22 Jun

That string evaluates to falsy. He ded.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 22 Jun

Nice catch. One byte was all we needed!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BITC0IN 22 Jun

Make War Unaffordable https://v.nostr.build/HOw6GzDlYBrf80fZ.mp4

67 sats \ 0 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

small heart attack

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @jasonb 22 Jun

I know at one point, there were a few Iranians on sn. Have we heard from them? Are you one of them? I’m curious what the news cycle is there right now.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

they'd not be terrorized by Israelis on SN. definitely not.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @jasonb 22 Jun

Really? I’ve seen some irrational posts on stacker news on some other random subjects, but not by anybody claiming to be Israeli.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @noknees 22 Jun

neither have I, that's why I said so

15 sats \ 0 replies \ @jasonb 22 Jun

Oh, sorry, I misread your comment. I’m seeing what you meant now.

17 sats \ 0 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

104 sats \ 1 reply \ @suraz 22 Jun

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlokchainB 22 Jun

Hahaha

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

Religion &

Bitcoin

are water and oil, you cannot put them together.

"You cannot unite oppression and freedom in the same chain". ⛓️

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

what if I say, bitcoin unites Christians 💀 and Gods have been using bitcoin since the beginning of mankind

15 sats \ 5 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

"The first thing I would think about is that you have been drugged with chicken excrement" 🐓

But we are free, so I don't really care what you decide to believe, some choose to live cheated and others question the things that impose them to create in them.

I am glad that at least, you could leave the illusion of money when knowing Bitcoin.

But wake up from the rest of the issues, it is already an issue that is in your hands and impacts or impacts, it is about you and not on me.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 22 Jun

I'm sorry that you have a childish view of religion

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

What would a mature vision be? I'm always open to understand and learn

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

The sacred rites of Chickenism lol. Sacrifice a Satoshi and cluck 3 times to summon the gods of fiat. I respect your religion but over here, we believe in consensus, not chickens. You’re free to laugh. I’m free to verify. I just meant it as a joke, chill bro :)

15 sats \ 1 reply \ @flat24 22 Jun

The sacred rites of Chickenism lol. Sacrifice a Satoshi and cluck 3 times to summon the gods of fiat.

🤣🤣🤣This was really fun.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 22 Jun

My zaps seem to be failing. I'm assuming that's an issue with CoinOS that'll get resolved one way or the other (or become a big enough problem that I'll escalate).

But in the meantime, I'm confused here. I've got a decent about of sats in my SN account. I've also got a decent amount of Cowboy Credits. Shouldn't SN be reaching to one of those sources if my zaps are failing? @ek @k00b

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

You can also check your NWC connection in Coinos, it usually expires and you have to renew, I recently happened that I could not do Zaps in Nostr and turned out to be that detail. (I use "coinos" as an attached wallet in SN and Nostr)

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 22 Jun

I did check that, but it turns out the actual problem was "random thing that just goes away after a few hours."

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

Ok, it's good to know that you could solve it 💪🤠

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 22 Jun

currently, you'll need to disable your coinos wallet to use CCs/rewards to zap. if the wallet is enabled, we continue trying to use it to zap.

we don't, currently, distinguish between momentary failures and longer term unavailability of the wallet - we assume they're all momentary, so we retry the wallet again, and once we try to do a noncustodial zap it can only be retried noncustodially.

we're working on improving this along with other related problems.

69 sats \ 5 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

Bitcoin is finished below 100K

75 sats \ 4 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

I love the sales... send it to 80k

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @noknees 22 Jun

i request everyone to pardon this guy, he supposedly mad just like bitcoin

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @flat24 22 Jun

he supposedly mad just like bitcoin

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I am not angry because the price goes down, I love it when it happens. When the price drops it is the only time that our Fiat is stronger and obtains more real value units by the same Fiat Magrane units.