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I am into Bitcoin. Where are my fellow liberals?
653 sats \ 27 comments \ @028559d218 14h bitcoin
Just like the title says. I am into Bitcoin in a statistically significant way (by virtue of posting to Stacker News).
And I have been 'stacking' for a little while now. And I have way less Bitcoin than most of you. Or possibly more Bitcoin than some of you.
But I believe I have "used" bitcoin more than the vast majority of you while traveling, actually buying things with Lightning? Because Lightning works well and is more privacy-preserving anyway.
And I am a 'liberal'. I am NOT a democrat. I believe most issues are shades-of-grey as opposed to black-and-white... and any government telling you what things are 'black and white' and 'what to believe' should be viewed with GREAT skepticism.
Which is the entire point of liberalism anyway (its REAL meaning).
I voted for Mitt Romney for Fuck's sake... and right now what has happened to "conservatism" and "Republicanism" the Political Party is a total disaster and should terrify all of you.
Because it often terrifies me.
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That doesn't mean "the democrats" are perfect FAR from it...
But what Trump "is offering" is mostly bullshit and a path to nowhere. Trump doesn't even like Bitcoin he sells memecoins and pushes stablecoins...
And the Press is "the enemy of the people" (according to him?) while he enriches himself with Tariff bullshit and "it's all someone else's fault."
I'm sorry but it's a path to nowhere.
Looking for "someone else" on which to assign the blame.
Does he ever take responsibility for anything, like a leader should? What happens when there is "noone else" to blame? Whose "fault" will it be then?
You can only "pass the buck" for so long... and history is replete with examples of people just like President Trump (in my opinion) with horrific consequences.
Could it ever happen here?
Many of my fellow liberals plus former conservatives are deeply concerned with what has happened to the United States. The US used to stand for things. Now it stands for nothing.
We have a 'grievance' culture with the "griever in chief" (the POTUS) who is always a victim.
Some people on "the right" have weaponized Bitcoin as an economic tool and THAT'S FINE. Bitcoin is software. It is objective. It is ones and zeroes... lines of code.
It is not 'A PERSON' is it not alive.
And although MANY of the "takes" on Bitcoin with a right-leaning perspective I find detestable...
Paper-thin...
unbelievable...
even INCOHERENT...
Bitcoin is a TOOL with a logically powerful origin, meaning, and set of characteristics.
If my fellow liberals want to free and protect themselves from the overwhelming power of the State they feel is so dangerous and potentially weaponized against them...
Why THE FUCK wouldn't they adopt BITCOIN too?
If the enemy arms himself... don't you logically arm-up also?
How the fuck did we literally cede the power and purpose of Energy in Cyberspace to morons?
Can we please do better?
Bitcoin is a Tool.
I find VERY undesirable, even SHAMEFUL some of the "takes" on Bitcoin from "the Right" but Bitcoin is a tool and software available to anyone.
The eat-meat-and-multiply people on NOSTR can honestly go fuck themselves (apparently that's all they're good at anyway?) but I don't have to trust them.
Or listen to them.
Or put up with their eat-meat-and-multiply 'bullshit' because Bitcoin is available to anyone who wants to use it... especially when NON-KYC AND PERMISSION-LESS.
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So where the fuck are my fellow Liberals in Bitcoin?
How did Bitcoin become so... apparently Far-Right? What Has Happened here?
The "story" around Bitcoin in my opinion has become so twisted, so estranged, so slanted... that its economic focus has been almost entirely ceded to "the Right" and even conspiracy-nutjobs.
The Gun.
The Car.
The Computer.
The Software... ALL tools.
It is well past time that my fellow liberals start seeing Bitcoin as such... get over themselves... and arm-up with the best economic means available.
Digital Capital.
The Bitcoin Revolution.
Too much time has already been wasted.... and there is no excuse anymore.
When will my fellow liberals join me in Bitcoinlandia, so we can finally grow up and form a real community?
It's feeling a little lonely in Bitcoinlandia and there's no excuse anymore.
We have already wasted too much time.
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213 sats \ 6 replies \ @siggy47 11h
I don't agree with maybe half of what you say, but I'm glad you're here and speaking up. I don't see how real liberals like many of my friends can't embrace the ideas of Alex Gladstein or Anita Posch.
Welcome. I hope to see you engaged in many fiesty but civil arguments here, and I sure as hell hope you find your fellow progressives here someday.
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36 sats \ 4 replies \ @028559d218 OP 8h
I don't see how real liberals like many of my friends can't embrace the ideas of Alex Gladstein or Anita Posch.
100% A gay woman and an economic-liberal walk into a bar discussing the HRF (human rights foundation) and what do they promote?
Bitcoin. But I almost never see this
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1 sat \ 3 replies \ @kepford 5h
I think there is a false right/left idea in bitcoin. It seems like the right is for bitcoin but 99.9% of the right wing people I know are clueless about it. The number of people that get bitcoin is tiny. Many in the know are very liberal in their thinking. They just aren't socialists for the most part. They also may not be fans of American capitalism. It's nuanced.
The other side is most people are being programmed by their side's propaganda. They aren't thinking deeply from my experience. This is why so many progressives are opposed to bitcoin. They have been told it's bad. On both sides it is rare to find people that challenge their priors. Those that do usually end up leaving their "team" and becoming either independent or some sort of libertarian or anarchist.
I have friends all over the place politically and many of them tell me they don't agree with me but they can discuss politics and the world with me without fear. Its sad to me that people are so afraid and invested in this nonsense we call US politics. Its not working and that's not new. Trump is a reflection of both sides. He's a result not a cause. He's the dam not the flood. I don't fear him in the slightest. I fear the hatred and disillusionment that created his rise. Half of the people are fed up with the system (as they see it) and the other half want it back as it was. It's not going back, but the new right hasn't won either.
If people can't leave each other alone in my view the US needs to break up into smaller units that can agree or at least agree to disagree.
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43 sats \ 2 replies \ @halalmoney 5h
Appreciate this write up, Kepford.
Stacker News is great for these nuanced takes.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 4h
People and the world are far more nuanced and complex than politicians, and other authority figures paint them. For all people I think there is massive value in understanding that there are people that want to manipulate us for their own purposes. These people often think their purposes are good and right. Its not that the right is full of people that want the world to be terrible. Its not the case on the left either. Most people want a better world. They just don't agree on how we get there. It took me many years to understand that you are never gonna get people to get in line with the way I think things should be.
I try to follow the golden rule in these areas. Don't straw man. Listen and be comfortable both disagreeing and saying I don't know the answer. People in general are far to comfortable ordering others around and using force on other people. This goes for both parties and isn't new. Until we learn to respect each other's right to autonomy it won't end. Instead we surrender that autonomy to strong men(Trump) or strong systems (Democracy, Socialism) and want to give ourselves up to them to fix things. The truth is that its up to each person to build a strong family, and community. Take responsibility for themselves and help where they can.
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36 sats \ 0 replies \ @halalmoney 1h
Yes!
Conversations are fruitful when you actually listen to people and ask follow up questions in response to things which they hold to be important.
Seeking to convince people about something they are not interested in is, perhaps, little more than an ego trip.
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36 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 7h
Those two are great. Politics is poison and the parties are designed to divide us instead of help us find common ground and work together to build a better world.
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217 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 11h
There's a lot to unpack there, but I'll just posit two factors:
  1. Most "liberals" are just larping and are actually tribal partisans. I learned this the hard way when all my fellow liberals suddenly stopped opposing war, prohibition, and mass deportation the second Obama was the one doing it.
  2. They aren't saying anything that gets them expelled from mainstream platforms. It's entirely predictable that alternative platforms are dominated by fringe weirdos.
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 OP 8h
Nostr has a lot of fringe weirdos too
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 7h
I was including them in my statement
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100 sats \ 4 replies \ @justin_shocknet 9h
I've read a lot of lithium-coded TDS rants this year but this is a chart topper.
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17 sats \ 3 replies \ @028559d218 OP 8h
I take that as a huge compliment, being at the 'top of the charts'
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69 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 8h
Clearly mashed out on a proper keyboard rather than from mobile, making it stand out... has the raw vigor of a quill-etched screed to make it more amusing than sad.
Enjoy the sats. cuck credits.
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17 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 OP 7h
SN always deserves a proper keyboard
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 7h
Yep, there's a me post for that.
#852544
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @bitcoingecko 12h
I'm with you. I constantly have to try and convince my liberal friends that Bitcoin is apolitical. Most of them have no idea about Bitcoin and don't listen đŸ« 
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 OP 8h
I have a very difficult time talking to anyone I know about Bitcoin. "it's a scam" or extreme skepticism is what is hear.
Or like I don't see that person for a while... and the next time I see them they tell me how they just bought xrp (facepalm)
And liberalism and Bitcoin? Impossible to discuss. Resistance money freedom money are totally alien concepts
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17 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 9h
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 OP 8h
At least he's laughing
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @hasherstacker 6h
Appreciate your honesty. Yes, Bitcoin is for anyone, not just for those who shout the loudest.
Here, we don't see Bitcoin through a political lens, but as a tool of nonviolent resistance. That’s the common ground.
The truth is, Bitcoin isn't “right-wing” or “left-wing”—it’s sovereign, neutral, and permissionless. Anyone can use it. No one can stop you. And that's why it matters.
You’ve used it. You’ve paid with Lightning. You've sent an Onchain transaction. You get it. That puts you ahead of most.
Bitcoin doesn’t care who you vote for. It just works.
Glad you’re in Bitcoinlandia. You're not alone.🧡
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 42m
The eat-meat-and-multiply people on NOSTR can honestly go fuck themselves (apparently that's all they're good at anyway?)
Lol!
Bring back A.Antop!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln 1h
I've found that what helps, too, is to mentally escape the binary thinking that American two-party politics tries to impose on its people.
"Liberals" and "conservatives" mean something very different in the US than the rest of the world. The fringe stuff on both sides (wokeism, anti-vaxx, etc) has become defining characteristics that polarize more than anything else.
Yet, in a lot of non-US liberal media that I consume, a lot of the woke extremism is satirized, and no conservative will refuse to give their kids the common childhood vaccines.
By many metrics, I'd be called a liberal, a socialist, or even a communist. Yet, I enjoy reading many takes here on SN that do not align with my own views. Doing so, I like to believe, I've evolved on many fronts, and come to realize a lot of the LARPing by myself, and others that I (used to) respect.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @5atoshiNakamoto 7h
Join us at The Progressive Bitcoiner
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @028559d218 OP 7h
Where is this?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @5atoshiNakamoto 6h
https://progressivebitcoiner.org
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