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The next big thing we want to build for SN is our first sub. Of all the options I’m most considering, another “discussion” sub seems to have the lowest priority. One reason for this is that the main page’s community has not outgrown the main page - we experience at most tens of posts a day and at most one hundred comments on busy days. The other reason is that I think there are interesting things we can do using Bitcoin/Lightning that provide additional value to the existing community without fracturing or competing with it like another discussion sub would. Still, I’m open to having my mind changed and by priority I mean just that - I suspect we will pursue all these sub options in time and perhaps not long after each other.
If you have a favorite sub idea, please respond in the comments and try to help us understand why you favor it. The work that SN does is for the stackers so your opinion matters.
  1. $jobs: A job board sub. This is @kr’s idea. I find it quite compelling.
    • Why this makes sense:
      • People want to work in Bitcoin and many of those people are at least aware of SN if they aren’t already stackers
      • Bitcoin companies want to hire people who are passionate about Bitcoin, like us stackers, they find it hard to reach those people, and are willing to pay for the opportunity
      • Beginning to experiment with ways of making SN financially sustainable is likely a good idea. The more money we have the faster we can grow and the longer we can survive.
    • How it will work:
      • job posts are a lot like discussion posts with additional fields: location, salary, job category, and how to apply
      • like the main page, $jobs will have 21 spots on the front page
      • job posts will cost more than 1 sat to post (more like 10,000 sats) and this will merely be the minimum amount. Job posters will also be able to set a maximum amount they’re willing to spend to get higher ranking similar to the maximum bid one would place on an eBay auction; this way a job poster would spend the minimum amount required to maintain, for instance, the top spot on $jobs, but should someone come along and bid more, they can automatically respond by outbidding them depending on their maximum.
      • an advantage of this is that job posts are inexpensive, yet the cost of being on the limited real estate of the front page is responsive to the market; unlike most job boards, pricing won’t be arbitrary
      • given that we’re using Bitcoin/lightning, rather than paying for a job post on a monthly basis, the payments can be “steamed” one minute at a time
      • some if not all the income we earn from $jobs will be redistributed to the most trusted, active stackers on regular basis
      • this will be a new post primitive and in the future users can create their own job board subs
  2. $mail: A sub that auto-follows mailing lists. This is something I personally want. I think the mailing lists should be easier to search and read than they are.
    • Why this makes sense:
      • Finding archival stuff in the mailing lists sucks
      • Reading the mailing lists is kind of hard - following replies up to the OP sucks
      • The formatting is kind of lame
    • How it will work:
      • We’ll setup an email server that subscribes to the chosen mailing lists
      • $mail/bitcoin-dev, $mail/lightning-dev
      • email and replies are a tree, like our discussions, so they’ll be posted like a discussion
      • accounts would be automatically created for all the people involved in the mailing lists so they can be tipped. By proving ownership of the email address, the participants could claim their sats
  3. $v4v: A sub that auto-follows value for value podcast feeds. @nout is the champion of this.
    • Why this makes sense:
      • A lot of these podcasts are coming out and discovery is kind of lacking
      • users are regularly posting podcasts to the site already
      • we could become a place to discover and discuss v4v podcasts
    • How it will work:
      • podcasters could add the v4v rss feed to the sub
      • any tips, etc, would go to the node associated with the feed
  4. We don’t add a sub right now and instead continue to refine existing features:
    • support for images and videos
    • a GitHub like text editor that auto-markdowns your posts/comments
    • expose an API
    • paywalled content
      • downvoting/flagging
    • etc
  5. We add topic subs
I'm leaning toward the $jobs sub personally because it sounds like the most fun. $mail to me sound like the most useful addition; I want them, plus it'd be great for the community and get us some nice SEO if we can become the goto spot for the mailing lists. While $v4v makes sense, I feel like most of the problems it'd solve are best left to the podcasting apps - I don't want to compete with them.
+1 for starting with Jobs, I think there will be some nice positive feedback loops here too.
As people realize Stacker News is paying users with job posting fees, new users come on board and job posters are even more interested in adding their listing, sending more payments back to Stacker News users.
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I'd lean towards $jobs. But for the future, here are some ideas that I think may help with the site's growth:
  • $btcirl - places that the digital world of bitcoin intersects with the physical world. Like coinbase providing physical locations to cash out crypto, where you can buy a beer with bitcoin, or how bitcoin is tangibly being used in El Salvador. Ultimately could become a type of advertising for businesses that sell goods and services for sats
  • $meetup - a platform for SN members to find each other irl
  • $classifieds - communicating exchanges of goods/services for sats
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+1 for classifieds. Also wrote some details in another comment.
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mining, lightning, development, economics, news
most things posted fall under these categories
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As one of the less technical users on SN, I vote for 4. Downvoting could allow for more refined feedback on content so users can fine tune what resonates and what falls flat with the community. If downvoting were somehow gamified with sats, it also adds a novel use case to the format here. Image and videos would be a plus, and paywalled content on a message board seems like another novel use case that could develop in interesting ways.
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A marketplace (buy/sell) sub would be nice. You would just need [Buying] and [Selling] tags, maybe also [Location].
Trades would be peer-to-peer and non-custodial (similar to Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace), so Stacker.news doesn't need to deal with payment processing, escrows or order status.
Monero has something similar here: https://www.monero.observer/tag/community/ and https://reddit.com/r/moneromarket I don't know about any similar platforms for Bitcoin yet.
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A marketplace without allowing users to send payments to each other on SN feels like a missed opportunity, but it would allow us to not have to escrow and deal with order status stuff.
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You can have a digital goods marketplace where you do use LN on SN, but for something that needs in-person delivery, I can see this being very useful. Heck, there are plenty of people that want to trade cash for BTC or vice versa, so that alone would probably be a big value-add.
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A simple non-custodial buy/sell sub would be a good start (Craigslist works well with this structure) then could add built-in payments, order management and escrow in the future if needed. Bitcoin needs more P2P marketplaces, so this could help a lot. :)
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Other options
  • $tasks: Small task economy for sat bounties. Sometimes even Stacker News could post tasks to e.g. rate whether something is a spam or not :)
My pick
  • $v4v (I'd call those probably $pods): I would be interested in what podcaster app creators think about it. This would help them by creating a strong community and stacker news could link to the apps... The main reason I'm arguing for $pods is that there is a large community of podcasters (thousands have node already) and much larger community of listeners (millions per episode on the most popular podcasts) and having $pods would add value (and stream of sats) for all of them.
I like the $mail idea, since it helps community. And I'm always annoyed by trying to read the mailchimp output.
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All of the above higher priority but perhaps a lounge sub for shitposts and memes?
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Podcasts...then Jobs. Would love to see a ranking of the best podcasts on SN not based on automated downloads but actual sat value.
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As a podcaster myself, I'd be interested in this, as well. There might be a slightly different audience on Fountain vs. SN, for instance. Would be interesting for podcasters to see how their pods do in these different environments.
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I love the $mail idea.
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$investors , possibly with some sort of (refundable) LN deposit acting as paywall.
Reason: HN thrives because of it's investors-founders ecosystem.
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i say no subs for now. your point about the traffic not needing it is a strong one.
but maybe tags or flair would make sense
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Q&A (Sub with bounties for the community-voted best answer)
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+1 for the $jobs sub.
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I think the v4v angle makes the most sense, because:
This is the niche user group you're mostly getting already (I guess).
It's far more likely than most topics to get some activity; some of those podcasts have quite a big listener base and them having a natural place to gravitate to discuss in forum-mode, you could easily imagine one or two of them blowing up into pretty big discussions. (Of course this is more likely if those podcasts talk about stacker news, which they would be even more likely to if you do this).
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like the main page, $jobs will have 21 spots on the front page
I'm on SN every day, and just assumed it was 20 spots.
Nice touch!!
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[LOL, had to post under my other comment since the "one comment or reply max per parent" change was implemented.]
Might the jobs sub attract more people to SN (organically), starting on day one, than any of the others subs would? I think so -- as the others would attract only a small number at first (though over time they could grow to be well more widely used than the jobs sub).
And that revenue from the employers lets SN do advertising elsewhere, to attract job seekers to come to SN. And if that is done, that ad visibility brings in new users to SN (some for the jobs sub, others that saw the SN brand and clicked to visit the site). Even of those coming for just the jobs board, a number will also check out the front page, and some will become regulars.

But for the jobs sub, there's a time component. I'm not sure if you address that -- I did see your "steamed [sic] one minute at a time", but I'm not sure about what that is about. My concern is that you are not considering this scenario:
Let's say there is this an auction for staying at a beachfront property. Highest bid gets to stay there. So for day 1 you bid $250, and then I bid $251. Mine was higher so I get to stay there for the night. The next day you bid $300 so I add another $50 (totaling $301) and I get to stay the second night for just $50. Then day three, nobody bids above $300 so I get to stay the third night -- for free.
Or does this auction you describe involve bidding per unit of time? (e.g., sats per minute, or sats per day)?
e.g., for sats per minute. Let's say one listing has bid 10 sats per minute for two days, (about $10) and another listing has bid 8 sats per minute for 30 days, (about $145). The 8 sats per minute listing shows up in second position, at least for the first two days, unless, of course, someone else bids above 8 or this employer increases their bid to an amount higher than 10 sats per minute, to achieve the top spot.
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For familiarity the job post form would likely express the cost as sats/month, but it would be paid for by the minute. And correct, it would be for ranked based on the sats per unit of time.
The UX of the form is going to be tricky but I'm hoping I can come up with something that allows us to express the novelty well but is easy enough to grasp without thinking too much.
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My take would be focus on getting people to use the main feed until traffic and engagement go way up.
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+1 for the $jobs sub.
I think it would be great if one could create a sub based off a twitter feed. I absolutely hate being forced to login into twitter, and would prefer to read comments here.
Twitter API is pretty easy to work with regarding feeds, and you could have people tip into a wallet balance for the sub, in order to fund continued posting. Popular posts could get picked up by the front page, while unpopular feeds would simply run out of sats and disable automatically.
Twitter feed would be a good start point, which could be expanded to RSS feeds, Youtube, and maybe other APIs. My 0.02.
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2 and 3 YES. The jobs sub would be useful, but the others would be a daily visit driver
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MEMES! Bitcoin is backed by memes!
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This job idea sounds great! v4v podcast fuck yes! We all know main ones but its hard to find new non-shitcoining podcasts unless they already big.
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$dev
To help non software engineers learn to develop and contribute
I also like $jobs and $classifieds
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a wallets sub, featuring all the lightning wallets
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