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So isn't that a disincentive?
It’s an incentive to be online so you can publish the justice tx in time
My reply is that I don’t think removing them is “undermining reliability for the network as a whole.”
Routing nodes are online to route payments and earn fees, not just to not get robbed.
I meant it disincentives the cheater
Yes, but wouldn’t it be so much better if it wasn’t even possible to cheat?
Okay. I just read the proposals. Now I see the issue, though I'm not sure which side I'm on yet!
I will once I am even slightly informed.
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False premise, you still cannot defend claims on-chain from a second layer when you are not online regardless of the crypto theatrics layered on top.
The best an alternative could add would be delay tolerance, which is a step backwards when the justification is to make people comfortable being offline in the first place and you've removed the disincentive for cheaters to even make an attempt.
Internet services do not work offline, your email server, your website, all depend on a server for interactivity. The sooner muppets accept the reality of this the sooner we can move on to real solutions and not efforts of futility.
False premise, you still cannot defend claims on-chain from a second layer when you are not online regardless of the crypto theatrics layered on top.
So this claim here that there's no harm is wrong?
If eltoo is used without a penalty mechanism, there’s no harm in publishing an old state, except that it costs transaction fees to publish.
No harm to the publisher
The risk moves from the attacker to the offline larp wallet
More people will lose funds without justice txs, not less.
While we're at it the channel factories use-case is bunk too... batching already is available and reduces open costs by 80% yet no one uses it because it's not a real problem.
These are punishment for a bad actor seeking to publish an old commitment transaction, right?