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Because a buddy of mine has been bugging me to watch this over and over again I am almost done with Turning Point: The Bomb and the Cold War. Its not as bad as I thought it would be. I mean... its not bad. Its biased but I'd expect nothing less.
But something has hit me in the last two episodes. They are showing video of Soviet tanks and soldiers going up against protesters. Some in Russia and others in the Baltic nations. There's a pattern that I wasn't expecting. Its one we see in the US over and over again.
Calling something you don't like fascism. The crowds are calling the military fascists. Its funny to me in that this is literally the Communist government. They aren't fascists at all. They are just brutal order followers.
What isn't funny is watching these poor people that have been brutalized by Communism/Socialism. Its clear once again to me that the USSR was doomed from the start because of their economic system. But what do they call the oppressors? Fascists!
Fascism has a definition but in the common use really is useless. It means a boot in my face. It means something I don't like.
266 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 5h
They are just brutal order followers.
Exactly that. That's why I always said here on SN: for me, as a full communist regime survivor is very easy to see the atrocities done in my past how are coming slowly then suddenly into this "new world" . For me is like living the groundhog day all over again...
Yuri Bezmenov was right. You should watch his interview by Ed. Griffin in the 80s. Everything he said it became now true.
And this is just the beginning.
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Been a while since I watched that interview. I should find it and watch it again.
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145 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 4h
Here full interview: Ideological subversion, Yuri Bezmenov with Ed Griffin
THIS IS WHAT IS COMING IF WE ARE NOT VIGILANT.
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Yuri Bezmenov with Ed Griffin
Hypernormalisation is good too.
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The youth do not understand what socialism is and how terrible it is.
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Neither do most adults.
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30 sats \ 4 replies \ @optimism 5h
Fascism has a definition
Let's check Brittanica:
There has been considerable disagreement among historians and political scientists about the nature of fascism.
lol.
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100 sats \ 3 replies \ @kepford OP 5h
LOL Brittanica...
It has multiple definitions... OK.
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46 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 5h
Jokes aside... I think that this is why it's such a misused term, but it doesn't really matter... oppressive states suck regardless of them fitting the facism label or something else.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 4h
Seriously. Words that don't have a common meaning have little value. That's my point really. I didn't realize that even the Soviet people in the 1990s used it in the same way.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford OP 4h
Exactly. I think the biggest mistake Americans make about the USSR is focusing on the oppressiveness. ANY state can be oppressive. The US, the UK, Nazis, Fascists, Communists, and whatever. Some of the worst places in the world have Democratic in their names...
Socialism doesn't work with or without the oppression. Of course it requires oppression and leads to insane oppression even if you removed that aspect and had it run by angels you'd have mass starvation.
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The word fascism literally comes from the italian word fasci which means "bundle" or "group".
So fascism is basically identitarian politics of any kind. Even leftist groups in Italy called themselves "fasci" at the time.
To the extent that communism is also about group politics (labor vs capital), it's basically fascistic.
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Interesting. I just found it ironic that the literal boot of Communism was being called something else. Its gotta suck when the "people's" boot is the one on your face. We have the same problem in democratic states. "We the people" steal from ourselves. I have literally had people tell me. How can we steal from ourselves. And this is the mental programming that holds it all together.
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just ironic how the words like "fascist" and "nazi" are thrown around these days. Most leftists have no idea what they're even talking about.
One of the funniest video I ever saw was a guy on a college campus, literally shouting out quotes from Mein Kampf (as a prank), to the cheer and applause of surrounding college students (who thought he was being serious)
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Indeed. But as I posted yesterday. This is not new. Back in the 1990s people like Rush Limbaugh were called these names. So was George W. Bush. Now its Trump and Musk.
I do think it is losing its power though as a boogie man. Just as Alexander the Great is not really known as a demon today. Time has a way of diminishing the effectiveness of boogie men.
The thing that actually concerns me is how clueless people are about socialism and what we would lose if we give up on freedom. I can see a big swing to the left after Trump. A populist left that is basically pro-socialism.
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Mamdani for NY Governor will be a bellwether on this subject.
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Yeah, he is. I think many misunderstand what is going on. There is an openness to socialism because its never been properly killed as an idea. So its not scaring people. That's not why he's winning. Its because the establishment democrats are not representing their people. Same reason Trump rose to power on the right. The Republican establishment really despised their voters.
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Its more then identitarian, it's about breaking distinctions between the moral and the executive, the corporate and the republic, binding people together by using various bureaucratic institutions to govern every aspect of people's lives, towards a singular (nebulous) goal, the way cells in your body work together towards singular goals governed by your attention.
If it's hard to define fascism it's only because our modern western sensibilities don't want to confront just how fascist we are, or in fact wish to be. We want to be part of a whole, to consider the state as parent, to be absolved of the responsibility of sovereignty and liberty. We want to be told what to do, what to eat, how to shit, who we're allowed to be friends with or consort with. We want to be absorbed into the machine.
Fascism is part of human nature. To be fascist is to be "saved", but not in a Christian sense. Its to be freed from identity, to have status without any personal responsibility at all for the moral integrity of society.
In that context fascist societies are dangerous, because people can do terrible things when they feel that they are merely tools of the state and not personally responsible for anything they do.
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35 sats \ 1 reply \ @dgy 4h
Gerald Celente defines fascism as “the merger of corporate power with government power”.
So, if cooperation takes over the state or the state takes over cooperations may result in a similar end state.
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Yeah, that definition is the most clean and clear to me. But the thing is... most people don't know this.
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Fascism is the merger of corporate and state, where there is no longer a distinction between church (moral) and state (executive) functions. This tends to be implemented in ethnic or linguistic hegemonies because pluralistic societies are inherently more decentralised. But there is no reason per se that fascism and ethno-nationalism need to synonyms, this is just an accident of our associations, and an unfortunate one. Ireland is an ethno-nationalist state, as was Greece. They weren't propositional nations as the modern revisionist history suggests. Why were Greece of Portugal fascist but not Ireland? The difference comes down to the level of corporate integration with the state, not the ethnic dimension. Arguably South Korea and Japan are fascist today, and have been since WW2, not because they are ethno-states, but because they are deeply centralised and governed by large corporate administrations that dominate every aspect of people's lives.
Due to the heavy hand of regulation and the purchase of democratic institutions by corporations we have a deep integration between the corporate and the state in the West.
China today is definitively fascist, the CCP being the closest thing to a Nazi party in the modern world. This is not disputable, communism failed and fascism picked up the pieces, enslaving the population through new corporate vehicles barely distinct from the state.
The USSR attempted communism, but when it collapsed it veered wildly towards anarcho-capitalism, which then re-centralised to an extent, but it is nowhere near as centralised or fascistic as China and the CCP.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Cje95 4h
Words no longer have any sort of 😏 Ng anymore and its wild 🤦🏼‍♂️
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I will say, I have had to pause the video in this series a few times to add some context for my lady that the documentary leaves out. Lies of omission are the worst.
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