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I never knew about Charlie Kirk's existence until he died. I was deeply appalled by the gruesome, cold blooded, fanaticism-driven murder of this young man as he was peacefully debating with people he disagreed with. I felt it personally aggravating that such a brutal violation of the most sacred principle of free speech was committed in the one country that leads the entire planet by the example when it comes to freedom, the reason I love the US so much and look up to it as an example to follow.
The fact Charlie was murdered by someone solely because that someone didn't like what he said should be enough of a reason to trigger outrage on anyone in the US, regardless of their personal political views. And that's simply because this is not about Charlie at all: this was an attack on free speech. This was an attack on everyone, not just Charlie. The message was clear: "say something I don't like, and I will kill you". No society, no civilizational order can develop under such brutal authoritarianism. Forget Charlie, an attack on free speech is an attack on civilization itself.
Yet, horrifyingly enough, so many people celebrated this attack on free speech. No conversation can be held with someone that considers that you should be killed for not sharing their views. So this is not a post to those resentful psychopaths. This is a post to the civilized people out there.
To that people, I just wanted to give a tool against the most repeated slander against Charlie: that he literally said that "some deaths are necessary [sic] to keep our rights to bear arms". The psychopaths then say that "he had it coming" and that "he would have justified this". No he wouldn't, and he was perfectly clear about it. The false quote is a spiteful distortion taken from a clip of one of his TPUSA live events, on April 5, 2023. Yet if you make it through that first layer to see what the true quote was during that event, you will find a second maliciously calculated layer of distortion in which, despite getting the actual quote, all over the internet there's only that one clip to be found, completely out of context, in order to still frame it like if that's what he meant.
So for the peace of mind of those who defend free speech, so that you're able to disable that false argument when it comes at you, I took the job to find the full interview and the full excerpt. You will find in it that in the way he frames what he says, he makes the point perfectly clear, which is nowhere close to what the ill-intentioned media articles say.
Full Excerpt (full event audio below):
AUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?
CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.
The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.
Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.
You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.
So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?
Full Event Audio Record (the quoted excerpt starts exactly at 38:54):
"The fact Charlie was murdered by someone solely because that someone didn't like what he said should be enough of a reason to trigger outrage on anyone in the US, regardless of their personal political views."
How do you know this is a fact? Is this a fact because Trump/govt told you it is (prior to even pointing to a killer)?
For a group of don't trust, verify bitcoiners, there are an awful lot of people who believe the company line quite quickly without konwing a SINGLE fact except that Charlie was murdered.
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Part of being a bitcoiner is the ability of making checksums, with you clearly lack of. You will not believe the obvious even after it becomes official, for then you will claim the official is also false. You don't want the truth, you simply want to stick to your narrative.
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This is a post from a personal longtime friend of Charlie Kirk:
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @ek 12 Sep
Tbh, @79c9095526 does have a point. We do not know the motivation yet afaik.
You don't want the truth, you simply want to stick to your narrative.
Which narrative? Afaict, they did not reveal anything about which narrative they believe, they just mentioned that your narrative has holes
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What holes? The narrative is clear and is ubiquitous: that "he had it coming" and "he would have justified this murder as necessary". This is much bigger than Charlie and the murderer. You're seeing in real time that the left and the mainstream media consider that you should be executed for not sharing their views.
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 11h
Do you have proof that this was indeed the motivation of the assassin, and not just what people say?
You're seeing in real time that the left and the mainstream media consider that you should be executed for not sharing their views.
I do not disagree with this. I only disagree with your statement that this is a fact:
Charlie was murdered by someone solely because that someone didn't like what he said
I also wasn't talking about the media's narrative, I was talking about what you think @79c9095526 believes, exclusively based on #1218566.
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But what proofs do you need? He was killed on the spot in one of his events. Do you have proof that a person killed in an assault was killed just to steal his money? And when the murderer confesses would you still say "we will never truly know"? It doesn't matter at all what your inner intentions are, your actions speak for you. If you kill the guy in the middle of an event, you're attacking free speech. Regardless of all the reserves you may have on what the inner intentions were, this will effectively affect how people express in public from now on. And you will see that.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 10h
There is a difference between fact and plausibility.
And when the murderer confesses would you still say "we will never truly know"?
This is a good question. I think I would say it is plausible enough then that we can say it's a fact.
this will effectively affect how people express in public from now on.
I know, I agree.
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Reread your first sentence, it doesn't make sense. Perhaps you just mistyped a word or two?
You're right, its hard to believe "official narratives" after the FBI yesterday leaked that the shooter has a trans ideology based on writings on the bullets. Now what was their 'proof' of this? The following images. When the decision was clearly made ahead of time to blame this on a particular group to fit the narrative the people in power prefer, you have to take all of this with a fuck-ton of salt.
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How could this narrative be fabricated in any way when you're seeing in real time that the entirety of the left and the mainstream media are celebrating and vindicating this, saying, textually: that "he had it coming" and "he would have justified this murder as necessary". Let alone to official and the unofficial, this is right in front of you. All of this people are expressing explicitly that if you do not share their views you should be executed.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 11h
You are seeing the reactions, and are determining from that what the motivation was.
That doesn't sound right to me.
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I left that clear here.
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Message from a personal long time friend of Charlie Kirk. Before everyone jumps to conclusions about knowing exactly why this happened, although it seems we may be too late for that:
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The entire media and leftist on social media jumped instantly to justify his murder as "called for" before anyone else. But people reacting to that are the "reactionaries" ones. I understand Robert's honest intentions but he's being way too naive on what's going on.
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I don’t think the full context changes much. The people who think it’s funny or deserved that he got shot would still think that.
I also think it’s premature to state definitively why he was assassinated. We all share that presumption but there might be more to it.
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People kept bringing that statement up and I sensed strongly that they were twisting his words. Thank you for providing the full context.
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You know can answer to those psychopaths. My pleasure Sr.
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I have no desire to speak to them, quite honestly. I don't feel the need to correct them, since I don't think they would care.
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You're right. Reason is for civilized people only.
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But I think in those situations, you're ACTUALLY really communicating to the potentially large audience. Not to the people who originally make the comment.
You're never going to convince them.
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Exactly right. Those interactions are only worth in public, not to convince them but to leave them exposed.
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Thank you for taking the time to locate and publish this. I guess setting the record straight is the least we can do to honour Charlie Kirk
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Exactly my friend.
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57 sats \ 1 reply \ @Entrep 12 Sep
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Thank you. I keep seeing people posting things he said out of context to make him sound like a monster.
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My pleasure Sr. God bless the internet, we would be at the mercy of the true monsters if not for it.
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It turns out just yesterday, a great public servant uploaded the only publicly available full video backup of that event. I'm pasting the link right when the excerpt starts, but that person also tagged the time and quoted the excerpt in the video description.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 12 Sep
Why do we even need to debunk that he said "necessary", why can't we just ask them for the evidence?
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Because they're tampering the evidence too. As I mentioned, if yo ask for evidence they will show you the clip out of context, without the previous example Kirk used to frame what he said second. In all honesty he could have chosen his words much, much better, but the first example he gives makes his point clear and far from what the left tries to establish.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 11h
Is there a clip where he says "necessary"?
the first example he gives makes his point clear and far from what the left tries to establish.
I agree
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No but that's the quote repeated on media, that leftists repeat on social media too. However, when you do get them to show you the clip, which is taken from the video I shared in the comments, they show only the part where he says "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights", conveniently cutting out the example he gives previously to frame those words. Still a terrible choice of words, but what they try to establish is clearly not what he meant.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 1h
Its such a picture of what is wrong in our culture that we have access to learn what someone says and the context but people still ignore the context and meaning to push what they want to push. If one is curious and does the work one can largely avoid being led astray.
Even with the context many disagree but what I have seen so far is pathetic excuses trying to make a demon out of a man who held pretty common views. Very common views only 20 years ago. He was making an impact. He was on his way to being a political leader. Maybe President. Therefore he must have been taken out.
There are plenty of extremists. Kirk was not one. There are plenty of hateful speakers. Kirk wasn't one. When people say he was, they demonstrate how small their bubble is.
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Therefore he must have been taken out. There are plenty of extremists. Kirk was not one.
This was effectively an act of fanaticism-driven folly. In politics the worst thing you could ever do is to physically attack your opponent, and the absolute worst is to kill him, for you can not but make a martyr of him and thus a much greater and influential figure than he could have ever been while alive. The only true death of a politician is to reduce him to insignificance while alive. And this psychopath took out the one guy that was a dialogist moderate. Kirk will be revered from now own. And the rest of what's coming... is not good...
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What about calling for kids to see public executions?
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That's completely out of scope here. I'm stating the guy shouldn't have been killed simply for speaking his mind. The post seeks to set the record straight on the argument the left uses to justify his murder.
You're bringing what of his other tenets were, which I'm not even discussing. Disagree with them freely. Just don't kill the guy for it.
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