I would like a technical perspective on why LND is taking much longer than CLN on implementing BOLT12. But also how will it work on LND, let's say if one has a LND behind tor will (s)he be able to have a BOLT12 LN address by default on LND or will be necessary to setup something on RTL or other wallet connected to the node?
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150 sats \ 17 replies \ @benthecarman 16 Sep
They basically stopped working on new features besides Taproot assets. They haven't even finished migrating off of bolt db that they've been working on for years.
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34 sats \ 16 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
Do you run another LN implementation like CLN?
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100 sats \ 15 replies \ @benthecarman 23h
I wouldnt recommend cln, I've had a lot of issues with it in the past
Ldk is being deployed in a lot of new things these days, and what I'd recommend.
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50 sats \ 13 replies \ @niftynei9 23h
what kinds of issues did you have with CLN? the routing algo problems got fixed last year thanks to feedback from Michael at boltz
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100 sats \ 5 replies \ @benthecarman 22h
We had issues where it went down for multiple days, would lose on chain funds, and it being in C makes it really hard to debug anything.
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300 sats \ 4 replies \ @niftynei9 21h
You know, it always felt like the mutiny team was suffering in silence or something it was a really weird dynamic that im still not sure what to make of. no one on the cln team had any idea yall were struggling. i mean yall even lived in the same town as me and i don’t ever remember getting a message asking for help with an issue but maybe my memory fails me. i do remember the occasional outbursts on twitter tho
anyway sorry it failed you so hard. I get how C is challenging i had to learn it to work on CLN. it’s definitely its own unique beast with pretty niche errors etc.
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200 sats \ 3 replies \ @benthecarman 20h
I don't blame anyone. We definitely didn't handle it the best. At the time the CLN team had limited resources because you were on sabbatical and rusty was working on GSR.
We would normally post issues in the discord and often not get replies for days which is where a lot of frustration came.
Really I think most of our frustration stemmed from any cln issue was that it always 2 fold for us, one it'd look bad to our users and we'd also then have to go bother the voltage team for assistance. And for a lot of it we just felt powerless.
However I know we're not totally crazy, I've seen multiple companies try cln and move off it for various reasons
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 19h
I didn't even know you were using CLN at Mutiny.
You were running CLN in the browser?
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55 sats \ 6 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
I didn't understand how thos eextensions work, how to activate them, how to setup runes to connect to RTL. I found it very complicated and the documentation very confusing, maybe I am too used to LND and don't want to put the effort to learn CLN.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 23h
yeah imo CLN definitely needs better user documentation, but it's good for developers
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 22h
I see, do you use some fee management for LND? I used to like charge-LND but it seems dead on github. Now using litd, but it seems so fiat and a loss of privacy having to connect to lightning labs server, I may turn it off soon. LNDg I tried but very heavy on my hardware.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 22h
I am currently not running a lightning node
But when I was running a LND node, I only opened a private channel to SN and that was all I needed
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
What I miss the most on LND is something like lightning terminal but on the server, not having to connect to lightning labs servers.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 20h
Lightning.Pub, LND dashboard that connects over Nostr... the dashboard is in ShockWallet but in a very barebones state
Lightning.Pub is the CLINK reference server
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
I was trying CLN those days, but very complicated for my skills. Then LND has a lot of documentaitons guides, videos etc and I've been using it since 2021, so I may just keep using it. I must try LDK and those other solutions.
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131 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 16 Sep
Because Bolt12 is trash, ill-conceived, slow, unreliable, horribly engineered slop by the minor implementations.
Tor-based arbitrary data over a payment protocol... completely retarded.
Use CLINK offers instead (over nostr)
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17 sats \ 1 reply \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
Very interesting indeed this CLINK, thanks.
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17 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 22h
Afaik, it only works with LND so far though
SN will support it soon as a way to send and receive sats
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66 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep
Is it really necessary? No. LNURL serve pretty much OK rn.
IMHO for LND you can use perfectly fine AMP invoices if you do not like to use LNURL attached to your node. AMP is really underrated and barely used because people get bombarded with this BOLT12 marketing.
I prefer to use multiple LNURL / LN addresses not linked directly to my node and act like decoys. It's easier to setup a redirector from these decoys to your own self-custody.
Nobody will know shit and you also let them have a wrong assumption. Learn to use the crowd as a decoy.
Here more details: https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/getting-started-ln-address-en.html
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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 16 Sep
LNURL is still very centralized, yes for daily use one can use multiple wallets and etc. But bolt12 will make things even better in privacy terms imo. I am just curious how it will work in practice with LND nodes.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 16 Sep
No is not. You can run it on your own server, federated or custodial. That is not centralization.
that's marketing
if is implemented, it will be the same as for CLN, Acinq, LDK
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 16 Sep
Thanks for your opinion
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @d3489b3ca5 9h
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @alice_bob 16 Sep
they are very busy with TapAss
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @88b0c423eb OP 23h
lol, what a waste of time and resources.
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