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357 sats \ 26 replies \ @siggy47 11h \ on: It's Knot a Serious Project by James Lopp bitcoin
Character assassination. I know the guy is a little strange, but as recently as a year ago the general consensus was that you could choose knots or core. Play around. Experiment. Now running knots is dangerous?
As with most conflicts it has become less about the disagreements and more about the egos. I've been very disappointed by people on both sides of this argument. To me... its the most ridiculous thing I've seen in bitcoin since I've been paying attention.
To be fair, running either core (v30+) or knots is dangerous depending on who you ask.
I haven't read the article and I probably will not if I were gonna write a hit piece on Knots it would be about how it is downstream of Core and has much fewer eyes on it. Much fewer users exposing possible bugs and just less time in existence. All software has bugs and the more users and eyes you have the code the quicker they are found and stomped.
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if I were gonna write a hit piece on Knots it would be about how it is downstream of Core and has much fewer eyes on it
That's pretty much one of the articles main points
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the technical criticism is vastly outweighed by the personal in lopps hit piece, which then amusingly dangles ver, andresen and jailbird spagni in making it's case.
lopp's a shitcoiner, chow's a man dressed up as a woman who 'moderates' debates to his convenience, todd's a spook who wants to genocide Russsians, back is known for terrible takes since before the block size wars, corrallo wears perfume and introduced an inflation bug into core and didn't notice for 18 months...
If personal stuff is as relevant as lopp claims it is to judge worthiness to contribution, then maybe no one should be running core either ?
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that's a cop out on your part
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it's not a defence, it's an observation regarding lopp's post and your comment on it.
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You can also read the article and see that there's proof that code merged into Core has been reintroduced to Knots with changes, and there's no practical way to follow through those changes other than going line by line.
Also you can read in the conclusion, that it quite literally says:
Is bringing up Luke's security failures and eccentricities an ad hominem? I wish to be clear that while I disagree with Luke on a great many things, I support his right to say and do them. Unless he tries to put me in jail for raping his node, of course. I'd suggest we not cross that particular Rubicon.But if we're looking at Luke through the lens of evaluating him for a leadership role in an open source project of immense global importance, as the sole maintainer of Knots I think it's quite relevant to consider his history and personal characteristics.
But nah, better just say "they are attacking my favourite bad actor, I will ignore this post, no matter the amount of proof that he is a bad actor".
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there's proof that code merged into Core has been reintroduced to Knots with changes
from Lopp's article (my emphasis):
We can see by putting the code diffs side by side that they are not the exact same. This is to be expected, because Knots code is not the exact same as Core.
yeah, you have two repositories, you're gonna have to have changes. if Lopp were less invested in destroying Luke & Knots, then he might advocate for resolving the challenges of keeping disparate applications in sync in ways other than defamation.
i did read the post, don't run a knots node, and don't have a favourite actor, good or bad - you seem emotionally attached to your position and are falsely assuming i am - my ad hom of core people puts the flawed character argument in context, to illustrate lopp's intent.
The interesting part is that all of that info was known, and people STILL prefer knots over core
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Now running knots is dangerous?
I got the same feeling.
God-forbid I should ever fall out of consensus
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Don't come crying when Luke introduces a consensus bug and you are out of the chain.
People have been warning about this for years, with not just Knots, but any alternative client as we don't have an independent consensus library, because nobody is funding the development to get it.
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Don't come crying when Luke introduces a consensus bug and you are out of the chain.
The fuck?
I said God-forbid I should fall out of consensus, meaning, Lopp's public bludgeoning of Luke is not something to which I am particularly partial to being subjected, as that was his main charge, as I understood it, against Dash, that he's is repeatedly "not in consensus."
I'm sure if Lopp could send him for "re-education" they would.
Another thing is, I'm not even sure why Lopp would even dirty his hands on this.
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Lopp's whole thesis is how Dash is "not in consensus" on seemingly common sense cypherpunk-y values. He is making a false analogy in protocol consensus and social consensus.
Therefore, woe to anyone if they should fall out of this so-called "consensus" is what I'm saying.
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Is it tho?
Conways law states that organizations design systems based on their communication, that is we write software the way we behave and communicate with each other. It’s all fractal reflections of invisible structures, each subsystem is similar the more you zoom in.
It is not absurd to state that a contentious, frequently half-truth spouting and authoritarian leader would write software that is contentious, non-truthful and authoritarian.
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sounds speculative at best
the commentary here is not based so much on the how of Dash's communication but the what
saying Einstein was a bad physicist because he was a Jew is complete hogwash, and surely not an argument you would accept? very low standard, even for Lopp, I daresay
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You are misstating the argument.
It’s about individual behaviors, not genetics or lineage or even religion.
Luke has a decade and more of unacceptable behavior in this and other projects. Calling into question his ability to lead a project is absolutely valid. It’s not even about nitpicking some IRC comment, it’s year after year of poisonous actions. Even this whole affair is poison that Bitcoin did not need.