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Isn't self custodial clearer?
I've always been sketched out by definitions that try to define something by what it is NOT :)

non custodial2.6%
self custodial 97.4%
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neither
it's a false dychotomy, like your leftright redblue...
to custody means to keep and care for something https://thelawdictionary.org/custody/

but what is left out is what matters
doesn't mean possession, or ownership, or having any rights.
but it implies responsibility, duties

watch your contracting

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“Non custodial” is a psyop. It uses the negative “non” to sound bad. It makes it sound like custodial is the norm and this is the bad version of it.
It’s meant to scare you off — that’s why legislation in EU loves to use this phrasing.

Do not use non-custodial as a phase. It is a tool of the state to discourage you to from holding your own coins and taking control (away from them) of your money.

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somebody will always have custody.
Custody is often used in regards of a property and how is controlled: self-cuastody or delegated custody.

non-custodial is confusing and also could mean that owned by nobody.

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Exactly the point of legal government language- to say that unless “your” bitcoin is held by trusted safe and effective banks, it isn’t owned by anyone and can be seized.

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The better would be delegated custody.

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Yes. This is from the above post:

CURRENT TERMINOLOGY - BAD
Custodial - somebody else has custody of your wallet. "Not your keys, not your coins".
Non-Custodial - you have custody of your own wallet, i.e. self-custody

IMPROVED TERMINOLOGY - GOOD
Self Custody - you have custody of your bitcoin yourself
Delegated Custody - you have delegated custody of your bitcoin to someone else

The only problem..."delegated" has 4 syllables. Doesn't quite roll off the tongue.

Maybe "Entrusted" custody? "Assigned" custody?

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delegated is fine.

you coudl distinguish between fractional and full reserve delegated custody.

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I think it’s even better than non-custodial because delegated express the meaning of the custody by it self. Works in another languages too.

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The media psyop mind control people invented “non-custodial” for a reason. It’s not something we plebs just started saying.

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This is a new thing for me.

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Well the first thing to understand is that the government hates you and wants you dead. We are in the middle of a psychological world war: governments vs free people. Don’t trust anyone online, especially “bitcoiners” 👍

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I meant to say that this being a psyop is new to me. It’s a point of view I hadn’t considered yet. Regarding governments and coup plotters, I’m always alert.

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Well read my original comment again- where did you first hear the term “non-custodial” ?

Language trains your brain to think. Be careful what language you use.

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This is seriously ridiculous. This is the best way to confuse normies...

This is why protocols like Ecash and Fedimint are awesome because we don't sit around arguing between all of this nonsense. Ecash for everyone in the private sphere. Let the public sphere do what they do best, (or worse wink wink 😉 ) aka hold your money and whatever happens happens...

Period.

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my language, my rules, my business, thru definitions based in natural sounds;
News-Speak traps the mind into producing random or wrong sounds with unclear consequences;

#1283918

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Jah good point, self custodial seems way more accurate

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There’s a difference between self custodial and non custodial. Self custodial is only I can spend my funds, non custodial being no one else can spend my funds.

-- #395522

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