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2151 sats \ 67 comments \ @DarthCoin 10 Dec bitcoin_beginners

Let's have some fun education and support. We can open a periodic "beginner saloon" for anybody that have questions about "how to use that and that" or "I have a problem, how to fix it".

Ask your Bitcoin only questions, about apps, nodes, wallets, merchant solutions, protocols, issues, improvements, support with specific use cases etc.

Please keep it Bitcoin related and serious discussions about technology and not price and other bullshit.

I encourage everybody that knows the answers to those questions to get in and give support or a pertinent answer. If you are not sure that you will give a correct and pertinent answer, you better stay out and just read.

Don't be shy to ask questions, we know you are a noob and without knowledge in these things so we will just try to help you.

Your lack of understanding today, will cost you a fortune tomorrow.

Please do not zap hardly this post. Important is that people will start asking pertinent questions and they get their answers.

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1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

76 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 10 Dec

121 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 11 Dec

It looks like you might be on to something here, @DarthCoin 😀

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 11 Dec

few people realize that they can have and take advantage of free bitcoin support for a large variety of apps...

20 sats \ 27 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

When I started mining, I used a bitcoin address associated with my Alby Hub node.

I didn't realize how long it would take to reach Ocean's minimum on-chain payout threshold and I assumed I'd be able to set up the lightning payments.

Alby has implemented bolt12 payments and you can sign messages with your node, but the signature doesn't work for setting up the bolt12 receipts from Ocean.

I'm certainly not desperate to receive those sats, I'm fine with waiting for the on-chain payout, but I am curious about why it's not working and if there's an easy fix.

Edit: Nice hat, btw. How'd you get that?

69 sats \ 15 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Your Alby hub is self-hosed?
Your Alby Hub have LDK or phoenixd backend ? In this case you can generate a bolt12 offer from a cli command in phoenixd if the one from Alby doesn't work.

0 sats \ 14 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

Yes, self-hosted. The backend is LDK.

69 sats \ 13 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

OK, so you can generate the bolt12 offer but you cannot sign the message with Ocean? I think is a separate thing, read here.

190 sats \ 8 replies \ @nikotsla 10 Dec

You need to check if your node has the ability to sign a msg with an specific address (the one you use in ocean), I don't know if albyhub support that:

lncli wallet addresses signmessage --address <YOUR_OCEAN_BITCOIN_ADDRESS> --msg <PASTE_UNSIGNED_MESSAGE_HERE>```

90 sats \ 6 replies \ @nikotsla 10 Dec

Look into this: https://github.com/getAlby/hub/issues/162

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

Thanks, if I'm reading that correctly, it's not currently supported and not a priority.

90 sats \ 4 replies \ @nikotsla 10 Dec

Indeed, so... I research a little and LDK doesn't have that feature :( ... you could try to use the seed with other software in order to obtain the address (derivation paths) and have the feature to sign messages, long shoot and I have no idea how to do it, but that's the path I would follow if I am in the same situation that you.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

That's what I'm wondering but I didn't know how to check.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

Yes, I've gone through those steps. Alby Hub isn't one of the signing options, though.

69 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

I think you can use any other external wallet to sign to Ocean, not really necessary to sign with the same Alby backend. Is practically signing a configuration message, not the payouts (that goes to your bolt12 offer).

From this guide: https://getalby.com/blog/how-to-earn-bitcoin-mining-rewards-from-ocean-with-alby-hub

90 sats \ 1 reply \ @nikotsla 10 Dec

This is the way to go if you start from scratch, in case you already have some sat pointing to an address from you couldn't sign, you can wait until reach the min amount to withdraw, or focus in see how could you sign with an specific address from your backend node.

Next time, sign with an address you can control (sparrow is a good default) and as darth said, the bolt12 invoices is from one part of the process and is independent of the address.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

This was basically my plan going forward.

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69 sats \ 10 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

doesn't work for setting up the bolt12 receipts from Ocean.

Be sure you have compatible peers in your backend LN node. Maybe you are trying a bolt12 through a peer that doesn't support it. Not all nodes support it.

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

That's interesting. Alby posted a guide specifically for receiving payments from Ocean and they did not include Alby Hub as one of the signers that would work.

69 sats \ 6 replies \ @siggy47 11 Dec

If I recall you need to sign on chain. I don't recall the exact details, but I needed to use electrum.

36 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 11 Dec

I remember you said you run a CLN node. Did you tried with that one using Zeus ?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 11 Dec

I use Zeus now with it for remote management, spending, etc, but I didn't sign the initial transaction with it.

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 11 Dec

Good news: soon Zeus will introduce sub-accounts and NWC server...

36 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Dec

Right, but I don't know why that can't be done with Alby Hub. I have an on-chain wallet associated with my node.

69 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 11 Dec

I had the same problem. You can't sign with that type of wallet. I can't explain why. I created an electrum on chain wallet, then signed the transaction.

36 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 11 Dec

It sounds like it's technically possible but difficult and not a priority.

105 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Note: Ensure you have at least one payment channel with sufficient receiving capacity with Megalith LSP or LNServer. Both support onion message forwarding. You can check your channel partners and receiving capacity on the Node page of your Alby Hub.

https://getalby.com/blog/how-to-earn-bitcoin-mining-rewards-from-ocean-with-alby-hub

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

That's not a problem

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

Yo tengo preguntas, y realmente estoy leyendo Guía para principiantes, aunque solo cuando tengo conexión cuando tenemos electricidad. He visto tiendas incluso aquí en SN de sat pero cómo calcular las ganancias para comprar en satoshis? .

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

bitcoin es cash / dinero en efectivo. nada mas. No hay que calcular ninguna ganancia.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

Entonces los satoshis que se ganan nunca llegan a un Bitcoin? Cómo se pueden obtener más sat ? Por favor tenme paciencia siempre

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Cómo se pueden obtener más sat ?

Gastar menos de lo que ganas.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Angie 10 Dec

👌 Gracias, es como llenar un frasco de monedas,

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

algo asi

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 10 Dec

What do you recommend as best security practice for an individual hodler (who may want to pass bitcoin down to dependents) to maintain self custody while also avoiding catastrophic risk (like someone getting access to your private keys and draining your entire stack)

67 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

save the 12/24 words seed into many different places that nobody knows about. Keep it simple.

We have a nice and funny experiment here, remember? #1260936

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

También deberían pagar por leer en está plataforma, veo el contenido de tú biografía y es enorme, y no creo que quiera responder a todo, sino simplemente leer. Creo que si uno leyera más, preguntaría menos, o al menos no preguntas tan obvias, bueno debo trabajar porque Bitcoin es caro, y la vida no vale nada pero hay que vivirla.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

esto es una tonteria, una shitcoineria. Sacate de la cabeza esta idiotez.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

No 😂 , si ya soy trabajadora social,

2 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

HFSP El comunismo te ha comido el cerebro

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SHA256man 10 Dec

a veces, incluso literalmente... especialmente en el empobrecido sur global; pero también está llegando al norte global;

es lo que es; ¿Bitcoin soluciona esto?

2 sats \ 0 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

Estoy de acuerdo,

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Angie 10 Dec

Tienes razón,vivo en el peor de ellos 🤣🤣🤣

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

También deberían pagar por leer en está plataforma

como te sentirias si alguien te va a pedir que les pagues para usar tus productos que los produces tu (lo que sea en tu trabajo). O que tu jefe del trabajo te pide que le pagues a el por dejarte a trabajar.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @garorant21 10 Dec

Does WoS support NWC?

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

As far I know, no, it doesn't use NWC. But you should stay away from it. You have many other good NWC options.

30 sats \ 2 replies \ @garorant21 10 Dec

I'm using Coinos rn, but I´m looking for better connected wallets and more stables as well, Coinos fails too much lately. maybe I'll try to switch to Phoenix, only that my channel is small and I guess it will be a problem.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 10 Dec

Phoenix may be quite pricey for ur situation (esp. high send fees); it's more for people who don't have patience or need a high success rate of large transactions; Rizful is a great option for now, with a reliable trustworthy team;

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Look into Rizful, if you still don't want to run your own LN node. You have two options with Rizful:

a regular NWC account - https://rizful.com/w
a LN node in the cloud, where you manage the channels and liquidity, but you still have control of it and use it with NWC (you can even have multiple NWC accounts) - https://rizful.com/node_in_the_cloud

They have very good documentation page with multiple use cases. You can even have this Rizful node as a funding source with NWC for a LNbits or BTCpay server, where you can do more things, including your own LN address domain and multiple NWC accounts

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

Cool initiative Darth

I’ll circle back with a question about the dumb thing I did that’s keeping me from receiving lightning payments from Ocean.

69 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Can you point to that question or post it here again?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 10 Dec

Yeah, I’ll put it in a new comment later

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Dec

Judging by all the posts asking questions, I'm guessing this saloon is gonna be dead all the time.

67 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

I am trying... is the last chance.

Many people today still do not comprehend the giant opportunity of these "free support" and they are focused only on how to get rich in fiat. LOL they even pay for "trading courses" and "signals" but they will never get serious in learning how to use Bitcoin.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @TheInvestor 10 Dec

Why is your way always the only right way? I've observed your behavior around here and noticed this. Sometimes you seem arrogant and always want to be right. This isn't an insult, it's just criticism.

38 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

You better read this before judging my SN behavior: #147162

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @TheInvestor 10 Dec

Calm down, Darth. Bitcoin can save the world, but it can't save arrogant people.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

See? You came here to question me but you do not ask any pertinent question about how to use Bitcoin. Who is more arrogant now?

I offered my bitcoin knowledge for free, for years. Yet people like you prefer to call me all kind of things.

2 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin OP 10 Dec

Because knowledge is power. During many years I just accumulated more knowledge, that's all. Meanwhile many of you were just playing with shitcoins...

My arrogance is with all shitcoiners and dumb people that do not want to learn and because I am the closest to the truth than many.

Truth is not absolute, indeed, but who is getting on the closest frequency of it, tend to be right or closer to the reality.

I also have high morals in life and that offers me a very different perspective about how a Bitcoin world could be. Thing that a fiat maxi will never be able to see it.

always want to be right.

I don't want to be right. I say it many times here and is because sometimes I foresee the world in the future and is not so pretty... That's why sometimes I do not express all my thoughts in public, I am afraid to be right.

Sometimes you seem arrogant

when you know more things, you can afford to be arrogant.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SHA256man 10 Dec

show us ur work, little boy;

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Aeneas 8h

You think Wasabi Wallet is worth learning? I noticed your guides focus mainly on building a payments infrastructure that anonymizes through Lightning rather than fuddling about with mixers.

9 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin OP 8h

If you want to pay exorbitant fees in coinjoining, go ahead, but is totally useless in the LN era. Coinjoins were a thing BEFORE 2018 when LN didn't existed. Nowadays are just a way of extorting sats from clueless losers.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Solomonsatoshi 8h outlawed

stackers have outlawed this. turn on wild west mode in your /settings to see outlawed content.