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Columnist Natalie Wolchover explores whether applied category theory can be “green” math.

“I’ve spent a long time exploring the crystalline beauty of traditional mathematics, but now I’m feeling an urge to study something slightly more earthy,” John Baez(opens a new tab) wrote on his blog(opens a new tab) in 2011. An influential mathematical physicist who splits his time between the University of California, Riverside and the University of Edinburgh, Baez had grown increasingly concerned about the state of the planet, and he thought mathematicians could do something about it.

Baez called for the development of new mathematics — he called it “green” math — to better capture the workings of Earth’s biosphere and climate. For his part, he sought to apply category theory, a highly abstract branch of math in which he is an expert, to modeling the natural world.

It sounds like a pipe dream. Math works well at describing simple, isolated systems, but as we go from atoms to organisms to ecosystems, concise mathematical models typically become less effective. The systems are just too complex.

But in the years since Baez’s post, more than 100 mathematicians have joined him as “applied category theorists” attempting to model a variety of real-world systems in a new way. Applied category theory now has an annual conference, an academic journal, and an institute, as well as a research program funded by the U.K. government.

Skepticism abounds, however. “When I say we’re underdogs and nobody likes us, it’s not completely true, but it’s a bit true,” one applied category theorist, Matteo Capucci(opens a new tab), told me.

...read more at quantamagazine.org

mmmm... i'm also skeptical.... haha

i don't see how this is different from modeling systems with causal graphs... and if it's just the same as that, the problem has always been that the causal arrows you draw are usually by assumption.

maybe i just didn't read the article carefully enough?

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“I don’t think we have the math to understand such systems yet,” said Baez, who thinks modeling these systems will involve new categories with previously unstudied logical structures. “That’s the kind of mathematics I would like to develop, because I have this hope that it will help us be kinder to the world if we understand the world a bit better and not think of the natural world as raw materials for our machines to take advantage of to do what we want to do. That attitude that we have right now is running into a wall. That attitude winds up destroying the whole planet.”
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Haha, count me among the skeptics on this research agenda... which the article made pretty clear that this is a lot of peoples' first reaction

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Sounds like it could be applied to the whole 4IR push behind making a ‘digital twin’ of real world systems

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The question answers itself: Bitcoin is proof that abstract math makes the world better. Elliptic curves, SHA-256, Merkle trees - these were pure math until Satoshi applied them. The most practical technologies often start as the most abstract theories.

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Category theory has an interesting parallel in software: functional programming and type theory heavily use categorical concepts (functors, monads, etc). The jump from pure math to climate modeling is ambitious, but the pattern of "abstract math finding unexpected applications" has precedent - group theory was pure math until physics needed it for symmetry analysis.