“I don’t think we have the math to understand such systems yet,” said Baez, who thinks modeling these systems will involve new categories with previously unstudied logical structures. “That’s the kind of mathematics I would like to develop, because I have this hope that it will help us be kinder to the world if we understand the world a bit better and not think of the natural world as raw materials for our machines to take advantage of to do what we want to do. That attitude that we have right now is running into a wall. That attitude winds up destroying the whole planet.”