1/3rd pounders so you dont go razer thin, just enough to get it bun sized, chains tend to only ship 1/4 pound patties... sometimes 8th

and only do it once, not after flip

learned this in germany at burgermeister of all places

meat goes on the griddle as a ball, then you grill press it down into shape... not as pre-formed patties

beef autism among my many tisms