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65 comments \ @saloon 22 Jul \ yesterday

Howdy there, partner! Welcome on into the Stacker Saloon.

Saddle on up to a stool and spill the beans about your day, fire away with them questions, or let loose and give us the lowdown on your wild and woolly life. We're all ears, so don't hold back!

We're open round the clock, so mosey on in whenever you please!

80 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 23 Jul

Trustodial use in the wild!

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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @nitter 23 Jul

https://twiiit.com/eCashr/status/2080124019949335036

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 23 Jul

LLMs are simultaneously revealing

how common the desire to scam is
that people are so uncreative they can't scam without LLMs

1 sat \ 3 replies \ @Car 23 Jul

how are people scamming with llm's?

112 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 23 Jul

creating clickbait and misleading content at scale
pretending an llm's thoughts are their own
pointing bots at social media websites to "participate"

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @Car 23 Jul

only thing i would say we have always had that in society before only difference now its easier to tell

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @k00b 23 Jul

It's more numerous now, to the point where non-scams are hard to find, is my point.

103 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 23 Jul

when saloon has more than 25 comments I know something good is going in.

1 sat \ 6 replies \ @Car 22 Jul

wait until they start wrapping 💩coins into treasury companies then it gets really interesting

11 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

I thought that already happened. It wasn't that interesting.

1 sat \ 4 replies \ @Car 23 Jul

really when?

11 sats \ 3 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Jul

You're just talking about digital asset treasury companies, right? There were a bunch at the same time as the bitcoin treasury companies.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Car 23 Jul

theres only one place where this is headed

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 23 Jul

That statement tends to be true

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Car 23 Jul

Which is why were seeing more and more of these disband.

112 sats \ 3 replies \ @guerratotal 22 Jul

@Scoresby
I saw this and thought of you.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jul

that's a fun poster! where did you see it?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @guerratotal 22 Jul

He told me that if you want, you can stay—no problem.

110 sats \ 0 replies \ @guerratotal 22 Jul

A friend—in a Telegram group I'm in with three or four friends—created it right here using AI.

I sent him the link from your bio, since I mentioned that I knew someone who loved making those posters.

66 sats \ 7 replies \ @npub1zapsats 22 Jul

These archive dot whatever links that @denlillaapan adds to his highly intelligent financialisation sensationalisation posts NEVER WORK!!

Not Dens fault obviously BTW

But what gives?

Another post #1530125 has added an archive link that doesn't work

I get it's a paywall disruptor and these pesky owners are undoubtedly changing the code constantly to outwit the pirates

But last year most of dens links worked, now none do 😢 😭

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @guerratotal 22 Jul

It works fine for me.

85 sats \ 0 replies \ @denlillaapan 22 Jul

Glad to hear you're appreciating my posts and my highly devoted paywall busting. Sorry to hear it's not always working for yah.

Try manually plugging the URL into e.g., ByeByePaywall and see if there's one that works for you!

83 sats \ 4 replies \ @optimism 22 Jul

That link works for me. Do you use a DNS provider that implements frivolous blacklists or denies access to Russian infra? Some French spooky foundation accused archive.is of not cooperating with CP removal and got them blacklisted - though I thought that this was solved now. For example, Cloudflare allegedly implements that list on their public DNS servers. See also #1283458.

The other day it was borked for me too - even the onion - for about 6h but right now it all works.

Edit: Bonus question: what browser on what OS?

126 sats \ 3 replies \ @npub1zapsats 22 Jul

Firefox / Proton vpn / android legacy

Edit:
Quad9.net dns also

85 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 22 Jul

Hmm: https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/1nzv5hp/unable_to_connect_to_any_of_the_archive_sites/

Proton is saying they're getting blocked, not the other way around. Possible!

If that's the case, then the onion at http://archiveiya74codqgiixo33q62qlrqtkgmcitqx5u2oeqnmn5bpcbiyd.onion/ should work for ya.

126 sats \ 1 reply \ @npub1zapsats 22 Jul

No not working but thanks for trying 🙏

I'll stick to reading the comments on dens posts and piecing together the puzzle lol

Didn't work on Firefox BTW

Just tried on tor and got to the archive homepage but searching for snapshots gives me a captcha lol

I'll leave it 🤦‍♂️🤣

85 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 22 Jul

it will always give you a captcha

111 sats \ 2 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jul

I don't expect this to make much difference in how the state behaves, but I suppose it is better than out-right criminalizing developers of self-custody tools:

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103 sats \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 23 Jul

“individual right” from them should be readable as “privilege”, that’s how most people will read, even bitcoiners.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @nitter 22 Jul

https://twiiit.com/EleanorTerrett/status/2079962532614115361

251 sats \ 2 replies \ @didiplaywell 22 Jul

Appreciation comment to the community:
I have always got a fair amount of attention on my posts and comments. I have been mentioned in some of the youtube episodes, and tend to appear every now and then in the "This Day on SN" digests. I have been summoned by some of you asking for my opinion on serious matters. All of this despite my minimal interactions. That means you took me seriously and your interactions have been honest. I really appreciate that. Cheers SN :)

101 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

I shared your post about experiencing hyperinflation with someone on nostr today.

Thanks for taking the time to put thought into the posts you do make.

114 sats \ 0 replies \ @didiplaywell 23 Jul

Much appreciated Sr!! Thanks to you :)

83 sats \ 3 replies \ @cryotosensei 22 Jul

Work threw its pulsating waves upon me, advancing on me until I felt breathless. I trudged to the toilet, desperate for a short reprieve before my next class. A student stopped me and passed me a card of Zion Suzuki, the Japanese goalkeeper for the World Cup. A wry smile spread across my face, warming my soul like a hot water bottle in winter. He had made the effort to give me something that I would like!

36 sats \ 2 replies \ @didiplaywell 22 Jul

It's always the small things :)

61 sats \ 1 reply \ @cryotosensei 23 Jul

yes!

I thought of you while making this for my son. I should resume my learning Chinese series asap haha

12 sats \ 0 replies \ @didiplaywell 23 Jul

Always a pleasure to read those posts!! :)

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

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491 sats \ 17 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

Yesterday I failed.
I failed to fully onboard my cousin, visiting me. He's a total normie, living 100% in the rotten fiat world, but slowly realizing that is a lie. So he came visiting me from 1000km away just to teach him in person about Bitcoin.

He's really interested into getting Bitcoin, he read something about, but the failure was at the usage level, as a zero-knowledge beginner.

As much as I tried to explain in simple terms, how to use a bitcoin wallet, the amount of technical terms is overwhelming for these normies.
He calmly took notices and asked pertinent questions, but after 3h talking and talking he said to me that is too much. And I said: "and this was just the beginning,, we weren't even touch the part with LN...."

Then he left overwhelmed and with a bunch of notes and with the promise that he will start testing alone some wallet apps and read more about the technical details.

It was a sad day for me because I couldn't finish the course in 1 day. Some people simply cannot assimilate this amount of new information. And I have the feeling that the bitcoiners are moving too fast away from the normies, living into another world, totally different than the "normies world". Who already know some basis, will learn fast, but for a 0 knowledge noob these things are like speaking another language from an unknown world.

Sad.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Fenix 23 Jul

Technical terms and analogies are bad for normies in general, I say for myself that it is much simpler to understand seeing the operation that receives a flood of theories and technical terms. After they learn the base, it becomes difficult to fall into traps.
The sad part for me is the false expectation stuck in fiat, when I tried to approach with some acquaintances the first question was similar to that of your cousin "is it going to yield over time?" There are many more things to destroy before knowledge settles.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Scoresby 22 Jul

I have done 2 onboardings this year. On the technical level, both were less than half an hour and just

here is how you create a wallet
save your seedwords!!!
now let's send bitcoin to you
if you get over x amount of bitcoin, we should talk about a safer setup

But in both cases, we had been casually talking about bitcoin on and off for a few months before and we've continued to talk since. A one-shot download may be too much for most people.

I have no doubt you did a great job and perhaps it's just the sort of thing that he will need to think about for a while.

142 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

Before "here is the seed, and here are the sats" he wanted to understand "what gives bitcoin value"... and there's a lot of talking there. If you skip that part, normies will became ETF-boys.

All that part with "here are the sats and the seed" is the wrong way if you start with. If they do not understand what really they are doing and what they use, it will be just some numbers without meaning.

We are NOT teaching how to use a "new paypal"... we are teaching a new way to FUCK THE GOVS AND BANKS !

Someday people will remember my words...

In this case, idk what failed: me, my knowledge, my way of explaining, too much info, his brain capabilities, idk but it was a temporary failure for me.

I really start to think that some people are not meant to understand and use Bitcoin. Is too much.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 23 Jul

Maybe you are right, but I have had the most success with people when they actually see Bitcoin working, especially on chain. It's so weird compared to how we normally do money that it catches them by surprise.

Maybe they need an ideological grounding, but it is enough for me that they get some seed words and make an address and wait for a block to be found. There's usually enough there to spark an interest.

101 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

It’s common for people with expertise in a topic to practice different kinds of explanations for different situations because it can be very difficult to tailor it on the fly.

With how much you know, it might be worth trying to think about the most important and digestible 30/60/90 minutes.

82 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

In the last 10 years I was onboarding hundreds of people.
But I notice that for more we advance with Bitcoin, harder is to get them on track. We have so many things to explain that is almost impossible for a normie to get it in few hours of talking.

I love details, he also is a smart man, educated doctor, 50 yrs old, not a kid. And we talked serious stuff not meaningless zaps with few sats.

Really hard task, if you want to do a good job onboarding. I do not just want him to get few sats, I want him to be a real bitcoiner. FFS he drove 1000km to me just for this session !

I am sad because I couldn't transfer all my knowledge in just few hours we were talking. He have to go next day to another city for a conference. He just pass by to my house because was in the way.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @Undisciplined 22 Jul

I'm sure you gave him a lot to think about. If he's smart and interested, I'd be surprised if you didn't help him quite a bit.

Sometimes a person needs time to reflect on a large ingestion of profound information.

71 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

Yes indeed. In fact that was his conclusion too: let me "digest" the huge amount of info you gave me and will come back. Is too much.

But my feeling was that I was like an alien trying to explain him a hyperdrive technology...

Anyways this post was just to release the pressure from inside. I am a bit angry of this situation. He's could be a good bitcoiner.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @chaoticalHeavy 22 Jul

He wants to learn so much, he goes out of his way to discuss it with the most knowledgable person he knows.
You need to be planning the next discussion with him.

How often does he pass through your area?

1 sat \ 4 replies \ @i_am_a_seeker 22 Jul

May be just an hour talk, 10mn video, a kid book.... for the 1st time and wait for the next day

22 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

a kid book

LOL I think you are dumber than my normie cousin. We are talking about a serious discussion with an adult,, about a serious amount of money here, not with a 10yrs old kid.

You guys live only with few sats, meanwhile normies with lots of money want to do serious stuff with Bitcoin.

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @i_am_a_seeker 22 Jul

i meant to start easy...with easy language and so on...

Look where you talk lead you at the end with your cousin...

Is it cause of him or you ?

8 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

I think you didn't paid attention to my post, what did I said and also don't know my history in Bitcoinlandia...

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @i_am_a_seeker 22 Jul

You put yourself an objective where you’ve set the bar may be too high for one day

that is why i was saying to start easy

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @guerratotal 22 Jul

I think you might have inverted the pyramid; you should have started with LN—which is simpler—sent him a few satoshis, had him send some back to you, and then gradually moved him over to the mainnet.

You could have opened a website and bought a few things with those sats; I don't know if there's a coffee shop, a pizzeria, or somewhere near you where you could pay with Bitcoin, but you needed to let him "touch" the reality of what it can actually do. That’s what I think he really wanted, and it’s what I believe we often lack when explaining Bitcoin.

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 22 Jul

sent him a few satoshis, had him send some back to you, and then gradually moved him over to the mainnet.

No. That is the biggest mistake many are doing. The whole thing is to LEARN WTF is Bitcoin not how to throw some sats. Otherwise will remain a dumb fuck that will never know what really is Bitcoin and end up like this:

I do not want him to just use sats to buy gift cards, I want him to start a damn bitcoin circular economy, out of fiat.