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I agree that lightning and ark both have liveness requirements. I don't agree that Justin's statement makes "caught trying to drain lightning wallets"
Argue on the merits of the topic, don't make up ridiculous claims about someone being a scammer.
Your two sentences contradict each other: Can you give any other reason why Lightning has a liveness requirement other than to prevent your funds from being drained?...
Hello? @Scoresby ? You stopped replying instead of explicitly acknowledging that keeping your Lightning node online is what protects your wallet from being drained?...
I am happy to explicitly acknowledge that keeping your lightning wallet online is important to prevent it from getting drained.
I stopped responding because we apparently disagree about what is honorable.
Saying that you caught someone trying to drain lightning wallets when all you did is see that they posted a tweet (which everyone else can also see) saying that lightning does not require leaves, even if the tweet implies that lightning does not need you to come online (which I don't think it does) is clearly not catching someone draining wallets.
Arguing about trade offs between Ark and Lightning is fine. Call each other all the names you like, but you lesson yourself when you try to twist it into "caught trying to drain lightning wallets."
they posted a tweet saying that lightning does not require leaves, even if the tweet implies that lightning does not need you to come online (which I don't think it does)
It's obvious the tweet claims that Lightning would allow your phone to sleep. What other possible interpretation could you extract from the statement?...
The tweet is not some exhaustive statement about lightning.
You took your own imference of it and then added that Justin was "caught trying to drain wallets"
This is a huge leap. If you think it is honorable to make such a leap, I don't know what else to say. I'm going to sleep.
Many people wouldn't take it beyond what it directly says, which is commentary about how Justin sees Ark working.
But to me that isn't terribly relevant. In my book, it is never acceptable to make the claim that you "caught someone trying to drain wallets" when you have zero evidence of the actual act.
A tweet buried in a thread where you two are arguing about Ark is hardly some evil plot to trick innocent users.
I didn't even suggest mobile lightning was safe, I'm literally the only one not making a mobile node at this point
Justice transactions still make it safer than ark though 🤣
- I recently saw some code for a bArk https://second.tech wallet that wakes-up the wallet using background notifications in order to refresh VTXO's. The walled gardens that are Apple and Google could attempt to restrict this in the future, but the worst case is that Ark have custody of your funds which is no different to Wallet of Satoshi and most other popular Lighting wallets. Right now, if VTXO's expire, bArk just sweeps the value back to you - it's irrational for them to cheat, because people will stop using their Ark.
- As per previous, the vast majoirty of Lightning wallets are Third Party Custody anyway. Wallet of Satoshi (Spark) is effectively third party custody because there is no unilateral exit. Spark is also a shitcoin because it's also a state chain that doesn't proce reserves. The notable exception is Phoenix where your device holds the key but ACINQ infrastructure runs the node without knowledge of your key. Lexe wallet uses Intel SGX "Secure Enclave" but it's not secure because the silicon has backdoors, and anyone with physical access can so side channel attacks.
So, Justin is mostly wrong about (1) but mostly right about (2). I don't think he's a scammer... just a little disillusioned in thinking that more than half-a-dozen people are going to use Bitcoin over some weirdass Nostr protocol... and he's spending a bit too much energy trying to manifest this into reality.
TL;Dr, everything is fucked
Really? I think it's brutally simple. Answer these questions with "True" or "False":