We need to talk about Jack... \ stacker news ~bitcoin

1446 sats \ 89 comments \ @pi 9 Apr 2023 bitcoin

The Bitcoin community appears to be turning a blind eye to Jack's previous involvement in undermining free speech during his tenure as CEO of Twitter. There seems to be a lack of interest in holding him accountable. This stands in contrast to the way in which people have held Elon Musk accountable for his actions.

While I recognise that social media has been co-opted by the State and political activists, and that as the CEO, he had the responsibility to protect the interests of the company's shareholders, I'm still surprised that nobody is questioning the role he played while he was at Twitter. For instance, he made demonstrably false public statements about shadow-banning practices at Twitter, he participated in the censoring of the NY post article about Hunter's laptop, and in the disappearance of reasonable voices from Twitter before and during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Laura Loomer, one of Jack's victims, publicly called him out during the Miami Bitcoin conference a few years ago, but Jack was conveniently shielded from her criticism, and she was dismissed on the basis of her "racist views"...

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776 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

I haven't done any big research on him and his actions at Twitter but so far my view on this matter is that people can change and deserve a second chance.

Again, without being very knowledgeable about this topic, but what I've read he seems to regret some decisions he made at Twitter like it not becoming a protocol like nostr now.

Also, I am interested in what you think us holding him accountable should look like?

34 sats \ 2 replies \ @jk_14 9 Apr 2023

people can change and deserve a second chance.

but the preliminary condition is to: apologize... (loudly)

2 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

How loud?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @jk_14 9 Apr 2023

as loud as he usually announces other things...

987 sats \ 7 replies \ @crybaby 9 Apr 2023

you're a bigger crybaby than me

1 sat \ 6 replies \ @pi OP 9 Apr 2023

How?

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @crybaby 10 Apr 2023

forgive and move on, stop whining, especially stop whining on behalf of political provocateurs. The "bitcoin community" doesn't exist, people both friend and foe use bitcoin, its freedom money. Stop lobbying freedom maxis to your political bias its just lame

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

"whining," "Lobbying freedom maxis..." 🤔🥱

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @crybaby 10 Apr 2023

lol, i'll pray for you that you find meaning beyond politics. Christ is Risen

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

I wish you would stop imputing intentions to me. I assure you that I have no political motives.

He is risen indeed! Amen to you.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @crybaby 11 Apr 2023

I'm just calling it as i see it, mentioning Loomer specifically (someone who literally still has an account) despite thousands of dissidents not regaining their accounts and calling her a victim, betrays the angle of which you're approaching this. Jack's work has VASTLY outweighed any past mistakes and he wasn't personally banning anyone. Expecting some public grovelling stinks. Move on, God bless

57 sats \ 0 replies \ @pi OP 11 Apr 2023

You are completely missing the point!

I only mentioned Loomer because of the confrontation she had with Jack at the conference, and because the community appeared to be willing to sacrifice their principles so easily because Jack's "on our side" (my opinion, a bit oversimplify, and I admit could be wrong). And yes, she's one of the victims of the censorship at Twitter, whether you like it/her or not.
No one is arguing about Jack's contribution and achievements. Mistakes were made and it's legitimate to openly discuss to prevent history from repeating itself. Only then we can move on. Jack was recently confronted at Nostrica and he gave a very insightful explanation of the dynamics that led to the whole mess at Twitter. It's great to see how he's now trying to apply the lessons he's learned to ensure the same thing doesn't happen to nostr! #162615

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267 sats \ 0 replies \ @LouisSignet 9 Apr 2023

I'm not interested in what people did but in what peope can do.

There's no CEO role at Bitcoin nor at Nostr. Everyone and their mothers are welcome to contribute if it's helpful. Dude is contributing, that's it.

319 sats \ 0 replies \ @02d769cb73 9 Apr 2023

statists really outing themselves in this thread - some handles were noticeably glowie already, some (to me at least) are new, but i suppose it's good to be able to see them whilst scrolling thru the site - i don't do much social media for this very reason, but upvoted this post as a good example of how routinely steered it generally is.

402 sats \ 1 reply \ @benthecarman 9 Apr 2023

It's pretty well understood he was basically hand cuffed there and had no control. That's why he left.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @thrown 10 Apr 2023

And during that time he took actions to push for a better solution. BlueSky and now Nostr.

369 sats \ 1 reply \ @SpaceHodler 9 Apr 2023

I don't know much about it, but I imagine running a popular social media platform of that scale requires compliance and creates certain incentives, also pressures don't appear overnight, but creep in slowly and push you into a corner and it takes a major leap to say enough is enough. In the end he left to do something he (apparently) believed in, so...

102 sats \ 0 replies \ @pi OP 9 Apr 2023

Granted. My point is that we should not just dig our heads in the sand like ostriches (pun intended) and pretend nothing happened...

637 sats \ 31 replies \ @zuspotirko 9 Apr 2023

the disappearance of reasonable voices from Twitter before and during the COVID-19 pandemic

Of course it you were silenced! It wasn't that you were spreading lunatic conspiracy theories and missinformation about solid science that the vast majority of people laughed about.

It must have been censorship, it can't be that you were the minority opinion idiot!

662 sats \ 2 replies \ @snakedye 9 Apr 2023

You're being equally stupid but the other way around.

Not all conspiracies were false, not all of them were unreasonable. There was a lot of misinformation and nonsense but there was also real censorship.

7 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 9 Apr 2023

No, the science was consistent. Scientists communicatet clearly what the state of the knowledge was, what was unclear and what was still debated. Maybe a few morons were overstating the facts - if you're debating against them you're debating against a strawman.

There also was no censorship. A small but vocal right wing minority spread their missinformation everywhere, how could you speak about censorship when it was EVERYWHERE?

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 9 Apr 2023

Are you sure you don’t have any Eth locked up?

122 sats \ 27 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

I am not sure if only the conspiracies were silenced or every criticism, how reasonable it may have been. There is a difference.

122 sats \ 8 replies \ @kilianbuhn 9 Apr 2023

OP is certainly refering to conspiracy theories that reject science and modern medicine 😂😂 He also mentioned the Hunter Bidens Laptop story.

The truth is that these story were not silenced - they just come from a niche extremist echochamber. They don't do numbers because they're niche, not because they are being silenced 😂

454 sats \ 2 replies \ @sudonaka 9 Apr 2023

“Reject modern science” so untested and dangerous gene therapy that made big business billions of dollars while normal people lost their jobs if they did not comply?

122 sats \ 1 reply \ @kilianbuhn 9 Apr 2023

gene therapy lmfao 😂😂

1638 sats \ 0 replies \ @clr 9 Apr 2023

This whole "pandemic" circus has been the biggest attack on human rights that I've ever witnessed and personally suffered, and all you say is "lmfao"?

And, by the way, yes, the covid mRNA "vaccine" is, indeed, gene therapy.

218 sats \ 4 replies \ @pi OP 9 Apr 2023

OP is certainly refering to conspiracy theories that reject science and modern medicine 😂😂 He also mentioned the Hunter Bidens Laptop story.

There were conspiracies on both sides. The more damaging conspiracies were spread by governments. Dismissing and not allowing dissident thoughts and an open discussion made it worse.

23 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 9 Apr 2023

The open criminal actions of the us federal government in violation of the 1st amendment were absolutely a huge part of the problem. Yet still no consequences. Apart from the globe dropping the dollar as a reserve currency of course

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

We need a second pandemic now with nostr haha

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @shyfire 10 Apr 2023

There aren't any nocoiners on nostr, so the impact would be limited.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 10 Apr 2023

Maybe we would have when they get censored

0 sats \ 17 replies \ @jk_14 9 Apr 2023

that's the link that finish all the "discussion":

6 sats \ 16 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

lol, what does this have to do with our discussion here? About jack dorsey or about censorship on Twitter?

Someone died because of the vaccine. Okay. It is known that any medicine can indeed have dramatic side effects like death.

I think you are making it yourself very easy.

10 sats \ 15 replies \ @jk_14 9 Apr 2023

lol, it was very well known then, that covid vaccine has no side effects aka "follow the science" ;)

0 sats \ 14 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

Yes, mistakes were made. I also don't agree with how covid was handled. But I don't get what you want to tell us with this link.

0 sats \ 13 replies \ @jk_14 9 Apr 2023

me? lol

110 sats \ 12 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

I mean the covid response had definitely flaws. Like how criticisms were handled and how they misinformed people.

Doesn't mean the vaccine wasn't needed or bad.

For example, I assume you are not vaccinated (correct me if I am wrong). I am totally on your side regarding people being able to choose for themselves if they want to get vaccinated.

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37 sats \ 7 replies \ @BitcoinMaxiNewsdotCom 9 Apr 2023

Agreed. Jack should come clean, but was/is probably under some kind of deep state threat...

63 sats \ 5 replies \ @tomlaies 9 Apr 2023

deep state threat

🤡🤡🤡

3 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

Ok. That was the final straw. I am changing my default tip amount to 1 from 3 and will give you one sat for this comment.

42 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 9 Apr 2023

Idk what that is supposed to mean but whatever

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 10 Apr 2023

It's a comment I wanted to upvote but not with 3 sats because low effort. So 1 sat made more sense to me.

My default tip was 3 sats before because I thought there are no comments which I would upvote but only with 1 sat.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @faithandcredit 9 Apr 2023

Are you aware that Cash App founder got stabbed the other day? And in fact died. Stabbings and similar crime are incredibly rare despite what the media portrays. But its probably just a coincidence

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 9 Apr 2023

Apparently he had some shipcoin scan starting up….

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @kilianbuhn 9 Apr 2023

conservative voices are being silenced 😂

27 sats \ 6 replies \ @faithandcredit 9 Apr 2023

I may be wrong but Jack seems to have explained the pressures of Twitter. He did it as recently as Nostrica, when someone asked how Nostr could avoid the mistakes Twitter made. And Jack practically explained how the incentives made twitter what it was. And coincidentally nothing has changed despite Twitter gettin a new owner. So theres that.

15 sats \ 5 replies \ @fiatbad 9 Apr 2023

Came here to say this. Someone asked him directly about this at Nostrica, and Jack did a great job explaining his reasons for everything, with a slightly apologetic tone.

I think OP's being a bit too critical.

7 sats \ 4 replies \ @pi OP 9 Apr 2023

I may have mistated some facts out of ignorance, for this I sincerely apologise, but I think this needed to be discussed.

It's great to hear what happened at Nostrica and I'm sure Jack is a great guy. I regret not clarifying this in my post.

I thank God I never had to wear his shoes!

🙏

798 sats \ 2 replies \ @faithandcredit 9 Apr 2023

For people who are curious there is a video of it here i linked to the timestamp where he is "confronted".

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

It seems they were trapped in a model that could only produce a certain outcome.

He made a similar comment once, in a public discussion with Elon, and lamented that when Twitter started, there was no Bitcoin, so they had limited options...

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 11 Apr 2023

I like your openness to change your mind if exposed to more information.

Unfortunately, that is not self-explanatory nowadays.

27 sats \ 0 replies \ @fiatbad 9 Apr 2023

Yea, discussion is always good, so I'm glad you posted. Not trying to slander you or anything by saying you may be a bit too critical. I'm probly too critical of a lot of certain celebs & politicians myself.

I probly wouldn't have commented if I hadn't been at Nostrica and met Jack myself. He came across as someone with a fuckton of integrity. He seemed very grounded, and humble. There's a side to him (that most business or tech people don't have) that I can only describe as "spiritual". But that's just my subjective feeling... meeting someone once doesn't mean shit, so maybe I'm wrong.

256 sats \ 1 reply \ @zuspotirko 9 Apr 2023

You want to say this guy

is a grifter? Nooo

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

Not sure if sarcasm

103 sats \ 2 replies \ @kenn_b 9 Apr 2023

Why would anybody care what this particular Jack says than any other Jack I know. He is just one out of many Jacks. This Jack speaks and people wet themselves. Focus on what is important. Not some millionaire Jack who had a good idea and executed well. Ifhe did wrong, karma is a bitch.

Also, note that it is the board that makes decisions, not the ceo. They r just a puppet.

25 sats \ 1 reply \ @pi OP 9 Apr 2023

Thanks for this important clarification.

I questioned chatGPT about it (see below). It's very possible that he was put in minority, this probably explains his later resignation in 2021...

Both the CEO and the board of directors play important roles in making decisions for a company, but their responsibilities and decision-making authority differ.

The CEO is the top executive of the company and is responsible for managing the day-to-day operations of the business. The CEO has the authority to make operational decisions, set the company's strategic direction, and manage the company's resources. The CEO is ultimately accountable to the board of directors for the company's performance.

The board of directors, on the other hand, is responsible for overseeing the management of the company and making high-level decisions that affect the company's overall direction and performance. The board sets policies and strategies, approves major initiatives and investments, hires and evaluates the CEO, and monitors the company's financial performance and risk management. The board also ensures that the company is operating in compliance with legal and regulatory requirements.

In summary, while the CEO makes operational decisions and manages the day-to-day operations of the company, the board of directors sets the company's strategic direction and oversees its performance, with ultimate accountability to the shareholders.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kenn_b 9 Apr 2023

Yep. If he wanted to keep his job, he better play ball.

6 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 9 Apr 2023

Nobody is questioning? Maybe not enough people from your perspective but I'm sure there are plenty.

Anyway, people are flawed. Of all the people that should be held accountable for things they have done in the past Jack should be pretty low on to list. I'd rather see politicians like Bush, Obama, Clinton, Trump, and Biden held accountable. But life is to short. Let it go would be my advice.

3 sats \ 1 reply \ @bolander72 9 Apr 2023

I remember watching that JRE episode with Tim Pool, Jack, and Vijaya Gadde and the whole thing felt cringe to me. I felt bad for him given the political and corporate hell-scape he built (or witnessed be built) around him.

I have no idea what he was or was not personally involved with or responsible for, but as a CEO, that falls on him regardless and some more transparency after the fact would've be nice.

But I'm sure there's more to it - whether it be contractual obligations, legal threats, state threats (as mentioned), etc.

Past demons should not be swept under rugs, but brought to light.

Definitely interested and will be following this thread.

6 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 9 Apr 2023

Definitely interested and will be following this thread.

You can bookmark this post. Maybe that will help with that :)

You reminded me of that feature. And I agree. Will also follow this topic by bookmarking.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheL0wner 9 Apr 2023

fuck jack, twitter sucked even worse when he ran it and I see no reason to expect different from him now.

5 sats \ 2 replies \ @TNStacker 9 Apr 2023

I find it lacking perspective and insight to judge one who creates and manages an organization from start up through the metamorphosis that makes it great the same as you judge one who takes over the organization after it is already great.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

You seem to imply that this is an Elon vs Jack thread. It's not. It's also not about Jack's qualities as CEO or engineer etc...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 10 Apr 2023

I am commenting on the OP, not the subsequent posts. Help me understand what I missed

1 sat \ 1 reply \ @shyfire 10 Apr 2023

What do you suggest we do?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

Not pretend nothing happened...

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @muteness11 10 Apr 2023

while he was the CEO the board controlled how the co. operates .... so while he is responsible, he isnt 100% responsible

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

Correct. #162500

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 11 Apr 2023

lmao, that referral link i respect your high hopes to get a referral through this link here

edit: ah, i guess you just used "copy link". it creates referral links automatically.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @pi OP 11 Apr 2023

Correct. I used the "copy link" on a previous post of mine where I addressed the original question. The link correctly redirects to that post on my side.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 10 Apr 2023

Laura Loomer, one of Jack's victims, publicly called him out during the Miami Bitcoin conference a few years ago, but Jack was conveniently shielded from her criticism, and she was dismissed on the basis of her "racist views"...

You have a link for that?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @pi OP 10 Apr 2023

It happened while on stage with Gladstein. Peter Mc Cormack jumped on her, and Gladstein never really pressed Jack on the subject. It was very embarrassing for everyone, lol.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/jack-dorsey-confronted-heckler-during-132000045.html

(Laura later appeared on WBD, Peter gave her the opportunity to tell her story to his audience)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 10 Apr 2023

We need to talk about Jack...

Dunno. I read over your words and all the comments and I still disagree.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 9 Apr 2023

Spicy

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nkmg1c_ventures 9 Apr 2023

There was a news article a while ago about him taking a spin on Elon's rocket with Rick Rubin. Lol it's a special club and we are not in it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nkmg1c_ventures 9 Apr 2023

https://www.benzinga.com/news/21/08/22711189/elon-musk-hosts-jack-dorsey-rick-rubin-flies-over-starbase-with-crew-of-spacexs-first-manned-mission