How do you advocate AGAINST CBDCs to nocoiners?
3576 sats \ 20 comments \ @birdeye21 12 Jul 2023 bitcoin
In my experience, normies don't care about a lot of the things Bitcoiners do on paper: privacy, censorship, freedom, etc. They DO care, they just don't know or realize how important these things are to their lives.
Bringing up privacy/censorship concerns doesn't really work in my experience. We do live in a age dominated by Apple/Microsoft/Google, etc. after all.
I've heard this from normies far too often: "Well if I don't do anything wrong, what's the problem? I don't have anything to hide!"
So when CBDCs do inevitably leak their way into the mainstream, what would you say to them to emphasize the dangerous precedent that CBDCs introduce?
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105 sats \ 13 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul 2023
Just tell them it is a western version of CCP social credit system. Comply or have your wealth frozen.
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10 sats \ 7 replies \ @kepford 12 Jul 2023
Yeah, this will work on many from the red team :)
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121 sats \ 6 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul 2023
Just tell blue team "can you imagine what the evil, bigoted repbulicans will do when they are in power? they will lock people out of their bank accounts if they go to a gay bar or donate to BLM or shop at target and they will send stimulus money to MAGAs to buy more guns because they are owned by the NRA".
Should work.
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17 sats \ 5 replies \ @kepford 12 Jul 2023
Well done. Isn't it mind boggling that every four years both sides seem to forget how all the power they give to their team will be used against them next time. When you unplug from the matrix it is quite interesting to observe the hamster wheel people live in.
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101 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 12 Jul 2023
Definitely. Only option is to opt out of the cycle. Team orange for the win.
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129 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 12 Jul 2023
I actually like the idea of forgetting teams. Focus on fixing as many of these issues in your personal life. Then you can work outward to family, community, and then larger solutions like bitcoin. Focus on solutions, not "movements". Take personal responsibility for your life, decisions, and relationships. Remove support where you can. Avoid participation in the existing system if at all possible. The status quo requires that people "believe" in it. No matter what people say, when they participate their actions are saying I'm a part of this system. It exists and is valid. You have to pick your battles and the really important thing is to remember what your personal goals are as well as your ideological vision.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 12 Jul 2023
bookmarking this.. well said
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61 sats \ 1 reply \ @l0k18 13 Jul 2023
Just have to mention that orange has always been a banner colour for certain kinds of anarchistic buddhists and taoists who in china every dynastic cycle would depose the rotten third generation and let the next one bring a fresh imperial dynamic that won't be as bad for a while.
Orange is the color of wit, evasion and persuasion.
The idea that the masses always will clamor for their demagogues seems to be baked into the formula, so perhaps it is better to think about the orange team as the transition team, we help society get an improvement every time after the ruling classes rot and overpopulate until their interneicine battles spill onto the streets, with the pawns fighting on behalf of factions of the oligarchy.
Do we really ever want to be mainstream? I don't think so. IMO, team orange is the one that knows how to swim against the stream when it counts. The rest is just unavoidable law of the jungle.
Why else you think terms like "remnant" and "citadel" are such popular notions in "team orange"?
The mainstream always rots down to the state we see, with the Bushes, Bidens, Clintons, et al, the modern day Neros and Comeduses...
Oh, they will all accept Bitcoin as their money in the future, that's inevitable. And possibly some of us will rise to become new nobility. But in 400 years this will repeat again, and it will be yet another new technology that overturns the key levers of power in that next era. Like the last one, the printing press. This overturned the religious power and made monarch into a dirty word, leading to the modern bureaucratic liberal democratic state.
Next round will be better, because it will pivot on the axis of our favourite and the only necessary distributed ledger.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 13 Jul 2023
Well said.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 12 Jul 2023
Yep, this.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 12 Jul 2023
so if they think that's 'conspiracy theory,' is there any saving them?
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8 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 12 Jul 2023
Say "maybe it is merely a conspiracy theory but I for one am not aware of any example in history where a small group of people were given the level of power a CBDC wields and they didn't eventually abuse that power. Maybe this time will be different, but based on historical precedent maybe we should at least approach this with a degree of skepticism"
I think we just need to continue planting seeds. I know from living in Canada most people are conditioned to be very complacent about their freedoms. Govs are not stupid, they aren't going to roll out CBDCs and start freezing peoples bank accounts the next day. They will make people believe they are working great. Banking the unbanked, removing friction, seamlessly adding stimulus right into your phone. Then once inertia kicks in and everyone thinks CBDCs are great, the restrictions will start.
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @birdeye21 OP 12 Jul 2023
the gaslighting is and will be extraordinary
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @guts 12 Jul 2023
Nothing conspiracy if the WEF is clearly open about how they will use CBDC, Digital IDs and Smart Cities.
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52 sats \ 0 replies \ @0245bdaef2 12 Jul 2023
I just ask if they’re ok with with a government record of every sex toy they’ve ever purchased.
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32 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK 12 Jul 2023
I totally gave up talking to Europeans (are all the same with an exception of 1-2%) about liberty and self-responsibility. This ship will sink into deep communism - let them suffer and learn or like Aeschylos let his chorus repeat over and over again: ''act - suffer - learn''
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22 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 12 Jul 2023
It really hasn't come up for me.
Most of the no-coiners I interact with fall into one of two categories:
  1. already opposed to CBDC's
  2. blue pilled NPC's who aren't worth the effort
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @iguano 12 Jul 2023
I don't, they will use them no matter what I say.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @premitive1 12 Jul 2023
To argue against adoption of CBDCs I simply explain how they work.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @crrdlx 12 Jul 2023
Ask, "Are you ok with the government tracking your weed and meth purchases through a CBDC?"
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