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Yes, all valid points. But to this article. Its all stuff we've heard over and over again. I guess I would say there are much bigger issues than these issues. Nothing about this to me is bitcoin specific. Its just our culture and human nature.
- Too much talk: Yeah, have you looked at politics, sports, and entertainment? This criticism is elitist and kinda like the communist criticism of capitalism. To much choice.
- Too boring: Very few people have new ideas. Most copy.
- Overconfidence: Again have you looked at politics?
I don't care about the first one accept for me personally. I want to be progressing.
I could TLDR this and say. Most people don't think for themselves. We are highly influenced and crowd oriented. Nothing strange about bitcoin people in that regard. This is to be expected. What I see as a pattern in these types of posts is a frustrated person who in any other popular community would be in the majority but in bitcoin they feel like they are in the out group.
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that’s fair, maybe these are good reminders not just for bitcoiners, but for everyone.
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I've said this elsewhere but it bears repeating. I have a theory that bitcoiners "suffer" from something I can only call underdog mentality. Because bitcoin IS heterodoxical it attracts many with non-traditional views. These folks (me included) have lived as the folks with the out of the norm or "wacky" views. Underdogs that suddenly find a place where they are not the minority will tend to be very loud and opinionated. I remember seeing this as a Mac user back before Apple was cool in pop culture. Mac people would act like they were still the underdog when they aren't.
The inverse of this is the alpha group thrust into a group where they aren't in the majority. They tend to really have an issue with it and lash out. You see this on the Internet outside of bitcoin in different communities when the "normal" views are in the minority within the group. There is probably some sociologist that could explain this better but this helps me understand where both sides are coming from and why I may react the way I do.
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good points, i think you’re onto something here with the “underdog” analogy
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My advice for people like Udi and maxis is you be you. This "toxic" culture will run its course. If bitcoin wins everyone will be using it and using it ways you will not support. They won't understand the why behind it. They will still think dumb things you disagree with.
I question anyone's logic that thinks in order for bitcoin to win we have to convince people to hold our views on a majority of issues. The better money will win. This is why I want bitcoiners to focus on its core value.
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Yeah, I don't know much about Udi. From what I have seen I'm not surprised he is pissed. He seems like a clown to me. Maybe that is persona. It doesn't really matter what I think about him and really bitcoin isn't conscience so I question why I spend so much time talking about the culture of bitcoin. I suspect in 25 years there won't be a "bitcoin" culture. It will be invisible like water and air to us. We will depend on it but rarely discuss it.
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I think culture warrants thinking about. Wrt btc specifically, there's a smallish number of actors who create the entire ecosystem that is btc. If you make that ecosystem a horrible place to be, where people are afraid to voice opinions, fear litigation for doing work, and get harassed all the time, you reap the fruits of that.
Btc is not such a force of nature -- certainly not in this phase of its lifecycle -- when being filled with assholes and bad actors and parrots and sycophants and grifters of various stripes won't influence what happens for the worse.
There is obviously not a Ministry of Culture or anything overseeing all this, but there are smaller cultures, like SN, and what people do, and how they behave, is consequential.
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That's fair.
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not sure, but whether or not Udi gets this balance right, i’m glad he’s willing to bring it up as an issue.
if we only take lessons from people who are perfect, we’ll never learn anything.
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I think one thing that annoys me is the group mentality. As if bitcoiners are some group that think as a group. And we need to do something about that. Well bitcoin is probably the least group think group I've ever seen. "Do your own research" is a mantra. But come to think of it, I don't hear that as much as I used to.
Maybe someone not butt hurt should write something about the problems of the bitcoin community. Oh my, bitcoiners hold views that aren't politically correct! Oh my! Heaven forbid someone hold a view that is not in line with every corporation in the US.
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too much talk
too boring
overconfidence in bitcoin’s success