Thanks for the advice, I will try more to work for it. I think this is probably one of those things that is great in theory, but in practice is incredibly difficult in our tiny circular economies _for now_, but we'll get there.

I use the "trade" terminology because that's the lingo [robosats uses](https://learn.robosats.com/docs/trade-pipeline/), not because I'm trying to sell. The fiat is only going one way with me: _out_.

pertinax

bitcoin

Are gift cards the best we can do for no-KYC lightning trades?

IMHO the best way is to earn bitcoin.
Try to do everything is possible to earn it. I mean everything.

You mention "trades", not just buying. That means you are looking for some kind of speculation. Bad, really bad.

The only way should be miners -->sell to OTC -->sell to brokers -->sell to plebs.
Plebs start using it as money. No way going back to fiat.
Should not be any way around to "sell your BTC".
It doesn't matter in the end if you acquire non-KYC or KYC your BTC as long as YOU NEVER GO BACK TO FIAT.