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Michael Saylor has made headlines yet again with his latest Bitcoin purchase, which now brings his holdings to nearly 1% of all the total Bitcoin. I have a great deal of respect for Saylor and admire his commitment to bitcoin and sound money.
I am curious to understand and have a constructive conversation around the potential ramifications of such a level of Bitcoin concentration in the hands of a few.
Do you think it presents any challenges or opportunities for the broader Bitcoin ecosystem? Moreover, how might this influence the decentralized ethos that underpins Bitcoin?
I value freedom, so MS is free to buy as much BTC as he wants.
But I see more pitfalls than benefits in him owning so much:
. Generally speaking (for any assets), whales are more hurting the market than protecting it. The only thing they will protect is their money, and they certainly dont' give a dam about others, especially small fishes. So, for the average bitcoiner owning less than 1 BTC, it's seriously misleading to think that MS is "on their side". MS will dump his bags when he sees fits or when he needs to.
. Considering that many BTC are gone forever, MS probably owns more than 1% of the supply, and it's enough to influence the market. Plus, let's not forget Saylor's famous tweet in 2013, predicting that "Bitcoin days are numbered".https://twitter.com/saylor/status/413478389329428480 I doubt that MS could change his mind about Bitcoin, but still. The world changes, situations change, people change.
.The media exposure of MS is both legit and problematic. For the media, he is, de facto, a kind of "Mister Bitcoin". And that's not good. MS doesn't represent Bitcoin or bitcoiners, and the idea that he has become an "incarnation" of Bitcoin is worrying. I'm a Bitcoiner for longer than MS, and I don't like him to speak on my behalf.
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MS will dump his bags when he sees fits or when he needs to.
To be fair, you can say that about anyone. Nobody knows for sure what MS will actually do but so far he has shown as much conviction as anyone here on SN.
I doubt that MS could change his mind about Bitcoin
This is basically the same argument. Anyone can change their mind at any time for whatever reason. He's clearly changed his opinion since 2013. Could he change it again? Of course, but he's stayed pretty consistent for the last 3 years through a bear market.
The media exposure of MS is both legit and problematic. For the media, he is, de facto, a kind of "Mister Bitcoin"
Like it or not, being a billionaire and the face of a public company gives him more credibility in the eyes of the media than some random joe on the street.
It was only a matter of time before a rich public figure got bought a lot of Bitcoin. If it wasn't MS it would've been someone else just like him. There's no world where that wouldn't be the case. It's fortunate he's a pretty smart well spoken guy and not some dictator or enemy of the state.
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The chief benefit is that Saylor is very smart, was already rich, and his fate is now clearly chained to btc's success. By 'fate' I don't mean his wealth, which I'm sure is secure; I mean going down in history as an epic and world-tilting visionary and entrepreneur, which is the windmill that guys of that calibre chase. He's got a billion dollars, wtf else is there for such a person? So that's probably good, on net. He's a baller, he knows how to play the game.
What's bad is the concentration of wealth and influence. It's popular for bitcoiners to talk about how "bitcoin doesn't care" about how much of it anyone holds, but this is the typical error of people who don't know much about human beings or the world. Does the entity that owns 1% of the airplanes have any influence on airplanes, even if they don't make airplanes themselves? Obviously. The influence is broad and diffuse, invisible tendrils sent into the world. It manifests in a thousand ways. This is as true of bitcoin as it is of apples, radio stations, potassium nitrate, and ham. It's as true of intangibles like taste in music or which art is popular.
If a dude shows up to watch a screening of Barbie, and he has a billion dollars in his pocket, is he irrelevant to what unfolds there, even though he has no formal relationship with Barbie, the theatre, the public perception of the movie, or any of the people inside? "Influence" doesn't mean large holders pull strings like puppet masters. But are power and wealth disparities irrelevant, esp as they pertain to some nascent subculture / industry? Clearly not. Bitcoiners should know better.
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M. Saylor / Microstrategy with his 150k BTC is just a small fish...
There are many others OGs that have much more than Saylor. But they do not want to appear in public like Saylor. Saylor is our "marketing department", let him be the front man talking all days. We are doing "other stuff" behind the scenes.
Just think about these facts:
  • Mircea Popesscu (that is NOT dead as many think) have more than 1M BTC
  • John McAfee (that is NOT dead as many think) also have like almost 1M BTC
  • my old friend "ObiWan" that bring me into Bitcoin long time ago, I know for a fact that he have almost 1M BTC. I tried to find him this year, but his sister told me that is kinda "disappeared". He's alive but don't want to be "visible" anymore. I respect his privacy and he well deserve it.
  • and many others that you will never know them.
People always forget that in the early years you could mine BTC with your dumb PC at home 50BTC/10 min ! Just do the math, because those times weren't so many bitcoiners. Stop bringing Saylor as a god of stackers. He's peanuts and his stash it doesn't matter.
IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY BTC SOMEBODY WILL HAVE! It will not affect in any way Bitcoin.
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Yeah. I look at Saylor as the marketing department and he's pretty dang good at least to the biz market. I know there is a segment of bitcoiners that seem to hate him for some reason. I don't agree with many of his statements or positions on different topics but I've lived long enough to know I have no arrived. I'm still learning. Some smart people are wrong. I might be wrong. In the end, the world is pretty boring if we all agree all the time. He's doing good things for bitcoin on the whole.
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"Just think about these facts". ROTFL. McAfee not dead, a "fact"? Man, seriously, take your pills and go to bed.
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I'd want McAfee alive as much as anyone, but even I know he was killed ala Epstein while in Barcelona.
He didn't deserve it, and neither did Janice.
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no body = no crime. Nobody saw his real body. Also spanish police is very easy to corrupt. McAfee did it other times. Even if will be revealed a body, will not be his body. Stop believing anything that media is feeding you. Are all lies.
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The media all said that he killed himself, which I especially didn't believe after Epstein "killed himself" and knowing what McAfee himself said prior towards those who'd hear that he died from suicide.
Which means he somehow managed to escape Spanish custody while keeping a low profile, or he was killed while awaiting appeal. The latter is an ideal case, the former is the grim reality.
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I had time to edit this, and only realized now I messed up the order of my last statement.
God dammit.
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I got your point, no worry.
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Time to get some caffeine in me before I wage away; if McAfee ever does come out of hiding under a new name and someplace even more remote with internet access, I'll eat my words.
Eventually some governments will offer a service where you can be "killed" in prison, for those for Bitcoin whales who want to disappear.
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A. Hodling takes coin off the market, similar to bitcoin that is lost, which makes the value go up (however insignificantly) for all. That means, by buying up coin, Saylor is increasing everyone else's bitcoin net worth.
B. Spending previously hodled coin puts it back on the market into the hands of others, which supports the bitcoin economy according to how the money is spent.
C. Either way (by mechanism A or B) the value is distributed to other participants. The more bitcoin is hodled OR spent, the more the wealth is dispersed.
D. The only advantage wealthy bitcoiners have is the starting advantage, because they have more wealth that they can choose when/where to spend. But over the long term, wealth is automatically distributed to the best value producers (through mechanisms A and B).
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No one knows how it will play out. AFAIK MicroStrategy BTC is held with coinbase as they aren't allowed to take self custody. Has the potential to be seized, stollen, sold or lost.
In the whole scheme of things it does not effect my DCA stacking.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Saylor doesn't own 1% of all bitcoin right? He owns a lot but Micro Strategy owns nearly 1% right? Not him directly. I know this might seem like a minor difference but I think its important.
My take on it either way. It doesn't matter. He is front running the market and his peers. Really the biggest threat he has to bitcoin is his influence as an influencer not how much he has. Worst case he sells and short term the price dips and we can all buy at a discount for some time. Long term it doesn't matter in my view.
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Michael Saylor isn't 100% stakeholder of MicroStrategy.
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The Winklevoss twins also acquired 210000 BTC (1%) back in the days and pre-Gemini were strong bitcoin supporters, do they still own them?
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This is the price of something that is permissionless.
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