0 sats \ 11 replies \ @kepford 25 Oct 2023 \ parent \ on: 2 New bug reports DELETED from Samourai Wallet's Gitlab Repo bitcoin
Surely there is a well written explanation out there of all the trust issues with Samourai.
Here's Peter Todd:
And Greg Maxwell: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.msg51128834#msg51128834
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So this is about the default Samourai mobile wallet? IE if you aren't running your own Dojo? I've heard this debate between the two teams. See, when you don't explain WHY you don't like x and you don't debate it fairly in the way those you oppose would agree with you lose credibility with me. Peter Todd doesn't seem to be being clear with the tradeoffs. Its much easier and fun to just say x sucks.
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I find it very weird to think of someone who is coinjoing but is also not using their own node... like who even does that?
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I agree- Samourai continues to decline any debates, I would really love an explanation from them myself.
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My guess is that they do not believe it will be a good faith debate. Based on this debate from CD76: DEBATE: Are the tradeoffs of Samourai Wallet's light client mode a benefit to users? and the conversations I've seen it would be very annoying.
My comment about grown ups remains. Both sides seem to be way to emotional about this and lack the ability to clearly explain the trade-offs in a concise clear way. Odell did his best but it was painful to listen to the debate.
I have no idea if Samourai is a honey pot. When you start there you lose credibility. The issue is that you are trusting Samourai when you use their node instead of your own node. That's the issue. Samourai's app does suggest you use your own node.
These "debates" usually turn into pissing matches and aren't interesting or helpful. Reminds me of comments like VPNs are a scam. Or Tor is a honey pot. Its lazy incomplete communication promoted by social media culture.
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I'm afraid you are mistaken, Samourai's app does not ever suggest you use your own node, all privacy features are disabled by default and they said no PR will ever be merged to warn users about the risks: https://web.archive.org/web/20230417145554/https://code.samourai.io/wallet/samourai-wallet-android/-/issues/458
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Thanks, I misremembered it. It does offer the option before you create your wallet.
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hah I would take it one step further and you can actually argue that even if you are using your own node, you are still trusting them. What if they control all the other UTXOs going into a CJ round? There is no way to verify that they do not.
It will be interesting to see if their upcoming decentralized coordinator release addresses this concern I have.
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I had a feeling this was a waste of time. Sorry I asked about this.
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Thanks... a 1 hour video... wow.
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It's the very first question in the video, you don't have to watch the whole thing.
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