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0 sats \ 16 replies \ @Michelson_Morley 8 Nov 2023 \ parent \ on: ZAP meta
@DarthCoin and @Natalia, once again coincidentally supporting each other and handwaving away (with zero explanation) doubt in a potential buyer of their hoarded asset. No problem here, @k00b? :/ relevant truth fast.
secret information is only for true bitcoiners that know how to use secret DM messages on SN.
Not for shitcoiners.
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Indeed not (I had no idea of such a feature). Guys. I'm not here to antagonize you in any way. I was only speaking to @k00b.
Go on as you wish.
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I actually laughed at that. Thanks man.
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I don't understand what you are trying to say, I follow @darthcoin here, which means I read almost everything he posts, and comment on the one I found funny - what's the problem?
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@DarthCoin waved away the issue from a position of zero knowledge, or worse, if he did know he intentionally misled. But in fairness did accurately answer the exact question that was put. @Michelson_Morley I suppose really wants to know if there is a record somewhere of who has zapped what.
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No. He wanted to know our "secret" about coinjoin over SN.
And that information was passed over the SN DM feature that some users (that paid attention) are using it.
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Actually, I was mostly commenting on something unrelated that I was discussing with k00b.
The specifics of the actual privacy of Lightning are far from simple. I was pointing out that it is fairly immoral to create a platform where con-artists (let's let them remain unnamed) with great incentive to lie about their own competence, do just that, when a new user with stars in their eyes wants to speculate away their money on cryptocurrency.
The privacy of lightning is far from solved. It is also difficult to find unbiased sources about it, especially on this website: The person here who could explain the details of how much is handwaved away by DarthCoin with the phrase "No it's private if you know how to use it", is probably @TonyGiorgio. But though his expertise isn't in doubt, he also has incentive to "be bullish" about the state of things.
Here are a few links for @0xbitcoiner about privacy and lightning to show what I mean.
An article that doesn't try to sell it to you:
https://voltage.cloud/blog/lightning-network-faq/lightning-network-privacy-explainer/
A better source, the actual git repo where they propose how to solve privacy concerns (note, still in proposal phase):
https://github.com/lightning/bolts/blob/master/proposals/route-blinding.md
Or the meeting the lightning devs had a few days ago, which also partly concerned privacy.
https://github.com/lightning/bolts/issues/1116
So yes, handwaving OPs question away is not great. But Darth/Nat can do what they want, I don't specifically care about them but more about stacker.news as a whole.
and PS. I don't care about coinjoin over SN at all, whatever that is, I don't use crypto other than in my job and I have no reason to be "pseudonymous". I would like to know how to DM people on stacker though...
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What is your definition of coinjoin?
Coinjoin = putting some coins together, mixing them and move them out into a new set of UTXOs, right?
So now, apply that with LN, using SN.
I am depositing some bunch of sats (coins) into a SN account (could be anonymous too) and move them around through different other Sn accounts.
Then move them out into a LN wallet or even a swap service for onchain.
Please indicate me the original UTXO if you can.
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i do not care, sorry. I'm working on something else. Maybe you're right, maybe not. Go in peace
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so why do make useless comments here then?
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Not useless (though obviously not favorable for your business). But you are right, im procrastinating. Thanks
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I would like to know how to DM people on stacker though...
Your lack of LN knowledge is disturbing
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Oh you mean like that! Okay well yeah I did actually know about that (used it to message @Onions yesterday in fact). Thought you meant some stacker.news specific thing
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I can confirm, Jonas sent me a DM over SN yesterday.
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Yes, SN supports LUD-12
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