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261 sats \ 16 comments \ @PlebeiusG 14 Nov 2023 bitcoin

If one uses an anon email, anon LN wallet and don’t register with Bitrefill… will the IRS still come knocking?

What if while spending and you add a Mastercard visa gift card to Apple Pay? Maybe that will create the undesirable 🔗 link…

Asking for my anon frens.

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243 sats \ 2 replies \ @bitcrazy 14 Nov 2023

If one uses an anon email, anon LN wallet and don’t register with Bitrefill… will the IRS still come knocking?

Nobody will knock at your door, they don't even know Lightning even exists lmao

What if while spending and you add a Mastercard visa gift card to Apple Pay? Maybe that will create the undesirable 🔗 link…

The water is fine. Does your friend still uses fiat though? that's the real question. Tell them to switch full time Bitcoin, there's more peace and less paranoia!

You're overthinking this. No KYC = you're good. Now privacy is a layered approach so after a few layers, you may not even care 'that' much. Depends who you are. But you need to understand the IRS is a mafia but in Bitcoin/LN terms, they're not even slow, they're super RETARDED.

Now, wanna go full degen and private all the way? -> LIVE ON BITCOIN!

Read @DarthCoin 's guides and start here: https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/living-with-bitcoin

109 sats \ 0 replies \ @PRA3S3NT1A 14 Nov 2023

This guy speaking from my heart

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG OP 14 Nov 2023

Well they certainly ask on tax papers nowadays. Not sure if the question is about selling assets, or if you simply possess them! They should already know thru KYC’d exchanges who owns it anyways… and, while I’m not goin full BYC, I do respect Darth’s enthusiasm.

Maybe the IRS will wise up as more Americans acquire freedom money… 🤔

112 sats \ 1 reply \ @stagathy 14 Nov 2023

My anecdotal bullshit assumption is that it is probably pretty hard/near impossible to get IRS knocking on your door for non-KYC bitrefill. Though if I wanted to be really paranoid about it I'd stay away from linking anything to apple or google pay and prefer gift cards that can be used in person at a physical retail store.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @bitcrazy 15 Nov 2023

I like that. Gift cards over ApplePay/GooglePay. I can already see everyone else completely outraged by this idea !! haha it's freedom or death folks..

[The Bitcoiners do NOT negotiate with terrorists]

12 sats \ 1 reply \ @sovereign 14 Nov 2023

The taxman would probably just look in the other end. They probably don't care in what way you were paying.l for the goods. Meaning if they suspect you for something, maybe they look at the flow of goods to your house for a period and make an interpolation over the year. Then you'll have to prove your innocence (tax law works this way at least in my country).

Or if they suspect many bitcoiners buy with untaxed funds from a specific store they go to the company and look at their shipping destinations.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG OP 14 Nov 2023

Well I suppose nothing can be bought online and shipped to personal addresses. So buying with bitcoin-purchased gift cards would be somewhat limiting that way. Otherwise, how could they tell if someone walks into a store to buy things? How could they tell the “influx” of goods into a house? Certainly they can’t tell what’s our stomachs. Maybe if we get fat they’ll suspect us of tax evasion!

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203 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 14 Nov 2023

you add a Mastercard visa gift card to Apple Pay?

you always go back to fiat mindset, you will NGMI. That is the ultimate goal of these motherfuckers: to control you. There's no such thing as "anonymous visa card", that's a total bullshit.

As I said so many times: the only way forward is to create the bitcoin circular economy around you, create communities that uses Bitcoin as money. https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/how-bitcoin-will-save-the-world

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @PlebeiusG OP 14 Nov 2023

Perhaps I’ll wait another few years until retail just accepts bitcoin directly… shrug. Your article is good motivation but not realistic for the masses yet, DarthBall. No one around me gives a squeak about “crypto.”

3 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 14 Nov 2023

Good. More sats for me.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG OP 14 Nov 2023

There’s worth in giving suggestions that people can realistically achieve. Advice for every level of pleb in every situation. More effective that way. Your enthusiasm is mistaken for a radical disconnect from reality.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG OP 3 Jan

So if you use bitrefill and add to Apple Pay or Google Wallet then your device ID is associated directly with all activity. And your name is 99% associated with that device ID. 99% as in 99% of people out there have it associated to them. Unless you get a burner phone... but I'm sure you have to login to apple or google in order to have a wallet in the first place. So you're making burner phone purchases and burner email addresses all the way down...

You can get "caught" anywhere along the way. With your home WiFi / IP address for instance.

Alternatively, if you get a card mailed to you, then you put in an address and a name. This is probably the best option - just mail it to your uncle Jim's work address and hope that nobody steals the $200 Mastercard visa giftcard along the way. "oops, never showed up."