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YMMV, but I also consider that to be part of being a sovereign individual that you don't care too much about others. You do what you want whatever it takes.

610 sats \ 7 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

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646 sats \ 0 replies \ @gd 21 Nov 2023

You 100% do not need to use WhatsApp. The only way you will ever leave WhatsApp is by doing so uncomfortably. I decided to not only delete the app, but totally nuke my account in settings before deleting it across every device.

People will SMS you, people will come to [insert fav privacy messenger] with you. I know multiple, unrelated people who have had this experience.

Privacy is limiting third parties access your personal life, if you're limits aren't "too tight" then they're "too loose"

I'm currently mustering up to tackle a bunch of other loose ends like these. You'll thank yourself for doing it.

103 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek 21 Nov 2023

Sadly, WhatsApp has become the default messenger used by everyone in my country. Every friend, family member, and even older people who aren't very tech-savvy are on WhatsApp. The adoption here is very close to 100%. Some companies here have even started using WhatsApp Business for customer service instead of traditional methods like email or phone calls.

Same here

I can't ask all my normie friends, family members, or girls from dates, to install Signal, just so we can chat. It doesn't sit well with me as it feels like I'm imposing something they may not be interested in.

I feel you. It feels like "imposing" because that's what it probably is. But isn't it the same the other way around? Aren't people imposing WhatsApp on you, just because they don't care about privacy or you?

As a human, I naturally need to socialize with people close to me, specially loved ones and friends. So ditching the only messaging app i have, is out of question for me.

I know, this might sound like I have no heart but if people can't even use another app or have a healthy discussion about the importance of secure communications and privacy, maybe you should reevaluate your relationship with these people.

Also, if you just met somebody, this is the best situation to just say "I don't have WhatsApp.". You don't need to explain yourself if they don't ask why. In my experience, no one ever asked why, we just found a common messenger.

Imo, it's not about "imposing something on other people". It's about discussing topics that are important to you with friends who should care about what is important to you. If there would be good arguments to continue using WhatsApp, I would listen. But so far, I haven't heard one. I haven't heard any argument. Most people just don't care at all.

And I have decided this topic is so important to me that I would risk losing relationships over it. If I can lose a relationship over such a topic, maybe it wasn't worth it anyway.

Signal is not the solution either. I would be switching from a unsecure messaging app to a slightly better yet still unsecure app (in my opinion). See this post: #322064

What is the solution then? It's easier to convince people when there are so many people recommending it. The phone number is something I also don't like and that you can't configure hiding your profile picture per contact, but it's definitely a lot better than using a messenger from the company who invented privacy invasion as a business model.

That Signal is run by a non-profit foundation with the goal of protecting privacy and literally invented the industry standard (Signal Protocol) used by many other messenger is also something which is easy to explain.

So I'd be very interested which messenger you would recommend trying to switch normies to.

804 sats \ 4 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @franzap 22 Nov 2023

I don't recall, were you in Arg? I totally agree re: whatsapp, it can be very hard to ditch it here. Just ask someone to send you an sms or use simplex, lmao

It depends on your life context. Maybe you can pull it off. If you're young, regularly meeting new people, NOT having it can be a net negative.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 22 Nov 2023

I don't recall, were you in Arg?

Nah.

If you're young, regularly meeting new people, NOT having it can be a net negative.

Exactly this.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 22 Nov 2023

NOT having it can be a net negative.

Maybe in the short term :) in the long run, you're filtering out unnecessary people.

Did you try to say you don't have WhatsApp when you meet someone? Doesn't that make you interesting in front of them? I never had the experience that someone insisted on using WhatsApp when we met. Only when we used WhatsApp for a long time already.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 22 Nov 2023

These people will embrace CBDC without hesitation.

The question is: will you, too? If they insist on only using CBDC? If you ever share costs or something? What's the difference to only using WhatsApp with them?

In my opinion, there isn't a perfect solution. I have to adapt by being cautious and not overshare too much while chatting over WhatsApp, and avoiding sensitive topics.

There is never a perfect solution for anything. Sounds like you accepted to use WhatsApp indefinitely and censor yourself. That's the worst solution imo.

The fact that it is tied to a phone number is a deal breaker to me. 😞

Fair point, hopefully they'll change that soon. I heard they are working on it.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @duvel 22 Nov 2023

I have the same issue with Whatsapp. 95% is using it of people I know, but I'm going to leave WhatsApp this year. I also dislike Signal and Telegram for their requirement of a phone number, which I think is entirely unnecessary, harmful and obsolete. On Telegram there are a lot of Bitcoin groups. I wonder if they will switch after the EU will require Telegram to allow a backdoor to monitor every chat and image and create a possibility to censor you.

343 sats \ 0 replies \ @nym 21 Nov 2023

Spare laptop TailsOS Electrum Nostr

62 sats \ 1 reply \ @beorange 21 Nov 2023

My solution is based on the following principles:

prefer local apps (desktop and mobile).
self host what you can.
solutions must be open-source.

Note: by local apps I mean apps that do the work and store data locally. They aren't just a frontend to a given online tool/service

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

🎯

45 sats \ 0 replies \ @aguia 21 Nov 2023

I care about safety more than being private, because if you have safety first then you are most likely helping yourself being private.

I currently use:

Android Smartphone
SimpleX for communication
Bitwarden (self-hosted)

That's basically it.

I don't have the need for a VPN, it just slows me down for the work I do. One of the things that I'm currently working on as a web app is a totally free, encrypted and easy to use (quite literally) messaging app. Yes, there's plenty of them, but I'm doing this as a challenge to help 'normies' leave Whatsapp or apps that require information from you, to be honest, to have my family also join, meaning I'm making it easier for my dad, 73 now to talk to me.

My biggest challenge right now it adding an encrypted and secure receptor to the app so I can see his heart rate live from his monitor, it's a bit hardcore and probably not very helpful for most, but, it helps me know his okay even when I'm not there.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @flix2 22 Nov 2023

Not 100% there yet, but aiming for this by next year:

📱 GrapheneOS — Android 📶 Silent Link - eSim card 💬 Matrix - messaging 🔑 Bitbox— Bitcoin 🔨 Seedor- metal backup 💜 Nostr — Social Media ⚡ Phoenix - LN wallet 🖥️ Self-hosting - Start9, umbrel. 💱 Bisq, Robosats - exchange

33 sats \ 3 replies \ @krinkov 21 Nov 2023

Proton mail + Drive
Mullvad VPN
Aegis 2FA
Telegram secure chat as it's easy for my acquaintances to use instead of WhatsApp. Else, I would have completely moved to Signal or Matrix
Linux Fedora
Manually de-googled android as I couldn't get my hands on an unlocked Pixel for Graphene (third world country issues lol)
Self-hosted Bitwarden for passwords
Newpipe for Youtube
Firefox and Ungoogled Chromium for browsing
DuckDuckGo for search engine. I know it's trash but I couldn't find a substitute with better trade-offs.
Simple login for email aliases

101 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

You should try out LibreWolf instead of stock Firefox.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @franzap 22 Nov 2023

Isn't Libretube better? I think newpipe hits google's servers directly

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @krinkov 22 Nov 2023

Never tried it, will definitely check it out.

10 sats \ 9 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 21 Nov 2023

In addition to being one of the best, I have doubts that NOSTR represents total sovereignty, because you don't know if when you delete something it is really deleted.

493 sats \ 2 replies \ @0330830bf9 21 Nov 2023

That's like saying Bitcoin isn't sovereign because you can't recall a payment you want to unmake... nothing on the internet is ever truly deleted and cryptographic signatures are no takesies backies kind of technology

867 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 21 Nov 2023

I have already realized my mistake. I should not have said that I had doubts. I should have said that nothing gives us TOTAL sovereignty.

503 sats \ 0 replies \ @0330830bf9 21 Nov 2023

Very true, sovereignty is a larp for people who don't want to follow but also lack the frame to be leaders. It's a nice cozy virtue-signal in the middle.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

Nostr supports a deletion event kind to request event removal (https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nips/blob/master/09.md)

Here is tool for that: https://delete.nostr.com/

But not all relays will respect that.

Users who are concerned about that should only pick relays that respect event delection.

I once saw a website that mentioned all popular relays and which NIPs they had, if someone has it please post. Or you can go 1-by-1 of your relays using this tool https://nostrrr.com and check if they have NIP-09 support.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 21 Nov 2023

The relay support for NIP does not guarantee execution. The only solution, but not advisable, was to have a personal relay and write only on it.

9 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

If you are only using "write" on your own relay, then no one would be able to see your notes.

Other users would need to connect to your relay to see your notes. And no one will do that. Most people only run 10 relays on average, and mostly popular ones (top 15).

One of the key points of Nostr is to spread your notes across multiple relays, so if something happens to one of them, you don't lose anything.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 21 Nov 2023

Let's say I only have one personal relay, and some people are already following me. Shouldn't people client connect to my relay?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

As far as I understand, when you follow or post notes, they are categorized as 'Events' and are disseminated to your relays.

This implies that if you have X relays that are completely distinct from those of another person, they would not be able to see your notes.

However, there are certain relays that automatically fetch data from other (popular) relays, and services that distribute your notes to all the popular relays on your behalf.

One issue with Nostr imo is the centralization problem of popular relays, as individuals will need to use at least a few highly popular relays to garantee that all their notes can be retrieved by all users.

Perhaps someone with greater familiarity with Nostr can provide additional insight, i'm still newbie.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 21 Nov 2023

me too. thanks

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @ladyluck 21 Nov 2023

Proton, Nostr and Brave

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG 3 Jan

We need a grapheneOS territory!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @PlebeiusG 3 Jan

fucker deleted the post.

we need more GrapheneOS on here.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SN023 22 Nov 2023

Hey. I'm new on Nostr. At the moment on iris but still learning to use that on my mobile. Also want to use other nostr apps mostly for selling digital art, where to start? I'm also on Plebeian market and also still learning to use that. Can't use damus as my device and country isn't supported. Haven't been using WhatsApp for 2wks now. Any guidance to sell my digital art for sats? Highly appreciated.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @rafaelasprilla334 21 Nov 2023

I keep all the keys and accesses on an indestructible metal plate and without internet. It's good

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 21 Nov 2023

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Zepasta OP 21 Nov 2023

Are you holding that plane hostage? Preventing all the free men, women, and children from flying back to their hometowns? Or have you decided to join the airline industry, using the Force to control the flight delays?

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 21 Nov 2023

Is full of banksters... so imagine what's next...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nikotsla 21 Nov 2023

LOL