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5106 sats \ 25 comments \ @TomK 23 Nov 2023 meta

European lawmakers greenlighted a pivotal move on Wednesday, scrapping national vetoes for EU member states. The Verhofstadt Group's proposal, backed by 291 MEPs, aims for EU treaty amendments, centralizing power and challenging member states' sovereignty. The razor-thin majority of 17 underscores the contentious nature of this shift. The debate exposed dissent, with accusations of veto misuse and counterclaims of EU transformation. We are witnessing the rise of a supetstate and further politizising og the EU Commission.

The Polish MEP Saryusz-Wolski called the move “a silent putsch with communist roots.”

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486 sats \ 3 replies \ @shado_op 23 Nov 2023

Missed that, appreciate the post, European press is generally very crafty when it comes to the EU

In Europe, many still claim the EU is just a trade deal!...

Would a trade deal need this... "MEPs call for more powers for the EU on environmental issues, as well as shared EU powers in the following areas currently within the member states’ exclusive remit: public health (especially cross-border health threats and including sexual and reproductive health and rights), civil protection, industry, and education. Existing shared powers should be developed further in the areas of energy, foreign affairs, external security and defence, external border policy, and cross-border-infrastructure." Esp '...security and defence...'.. read EU armed security/defence force!

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20231117IPR12217/future-of-the-eu-parliament-s-proposals-to-amend-the-treaties

516 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

They are panicking now after the dutch elections. It's a political earthquake. Watch how they are gaslighting the markets over their interest rate policy: we stay high for longer (meanwhile buying gov bonds all over the place). And then there is this cootdinated media attack on UBS. Same playbook we saw with CS earlier this year. Swiss banks belong to tje Fed system geopolitically. This won't end well

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @shado_op 23 Nov 2023

Interesting point about Swiss banks. As you know, Switzerland is outside the EU but has numerous mutually beneficial deals; however the EU is trying to rebalance those deals their way. The issues in Swiss banking need to be seen in this light, imv, esp given southern europe's banks are effectively bankrupt without ECB bond buying...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

You're right. Especially Italy has a problem

589 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xIlmari 23 Nov 2023

TBF, systems with veto power get ineffective as they grow, so it's a bad long-term solution. Case in point, the completely useless insitution of United Nations. Maybe it should be like 2-of-N or 3-of-N veto instead.

481 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

Won't work out like Brussels/Davos wish for. Believe me: Hungary and The Netherlands won't accept even one Iota of EU overruling their national interests. That could motivate Meloni to bring Italy on track. Then there is the spanish crisis against Sanchez camarilla growing. Doesn't look too good for the commies.

444 sats \ 5 replies \ @siggy47 23 Nov 2023

What do you make of the Dutch election outcome?

682 sats \ 4 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

Oooooh that's a thing now. You see a strong anti-islamic movement rising that seems to cooperate with the anti-WEF-folks that's gaining momentum. Trouble ahead. I still do not want to say civil war but a growing divide between europ. natives and the muslim immigrants.

423 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 23 Nov 2023

So it's just an anti Islamic thing? No libertarian economic push?

661 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

I do not see any signs of austrian economic or libertarian approach here in Europe. I am sorry but I am nearly the last of our kind. Darth, of course, is our Godfather over here. Communism had it roots here and the masses will be searching for the strong hand of a big state... until it failes.

25 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 23 Nov 2023

Sound economics has its roots in Europe too. Can't you all take some pride in that?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

I feel better now. Thank You, bro. And now let's dive into the Communist Manifesto

35 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 23 Nov 2023

FUCK THE STATE

1 sat \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

Cómo estás?

26 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 23 Nov 2023

un poco liado estos dias. mucha gente "normies" me llaman para guiarlos con Bitcoin.

22 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 23 Nov 2023

Bueno. Me parece bien, un buen ''trabajo'' liderar la nueva generación a la luz Saludos amigo.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Lost_dogz 14 Feb

The proposal will never make it through the European Council because, ironically, it can (and most certainly will) be vetoed

I do understand where the desire comes from, with corrupted semi-dictators like Orban blackmailing everyone else with every single vote that requires consensus. More centralisation is not the right answer though

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @TomK OP 14 Feb

Who is more dictatorial? Viktor Orban, elected by the sovereign, or the unelected European Commission with Ursula von der Leyen

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lost_dogz 15 Feb

The EC president is proposed by elected politicians and then elected by elected politicians. Plenty of elections involved there, although no direct ones

However, there are plenty of examples of directly and democratically elected dictators, so I don't think it's really relevant.

Most importantly, leaders' actions determine whether someone's a dictator or not. Centralising power, silencing criticism, capturing the judiciary, locking up the opposition, those are pretty clear indicators.

And finally, for some strange reason dictators respond very poorly to mockery 🤔

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @rafaelasprilla334 25 Nov 2023

Do you give it a good or bad thumbs up?

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 25 Nov 2023

As a libertarian I reject the concentration of power. The EU is transforming itself via non elected institutions like the Commission or the ECB in a bureaucratic monster that kills our freedom and entrepreneurship. It needs to fall asap.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @rafaelasprilla334 25 Nov 2023

They practically want to keep everything we have little by little, leaving us submissive to them and depending on them.