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no self respecting bitcoiner would install Telegram
1 - it's closed source, cannot be self hosted 2 - requires a phone number 3 - shitcoinery
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  1. usd telegram foss https://github.com/Telegram-FOSS-Team/Telegram-FOSS
  2. You can create account with any disposable number using sms4sats services.
  3. Nobody is forcing you to use their ton shitcoin.
  4. Stop crying like a bitch. Is just another way to chat and communicate from many. If you have privacy paranoia then stop using internet.
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there may be foss clients, but they still connect closed source TG servers, you can't self host TG, it's centralised
if you trust TG you might just as well trust TikTok
or SMS
Just because you've invested time building TG communities and content, doesn't justify shilling TG as a safe platform for chatting / communicating. It's not paranoia, you know as well as I do that TG admins can see a LOT of detail in relation to users and conversations.
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I don"t give a shit if admins can see it. Maybe that way they learn more about bitcoin.
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Then we can agree it's more of a "public messenger" than a private messenger
Not frictionless to use, we might agree on that also
@BEUK - my wrath was entirely TG related, sorry to hijack your post
Do you have a nostr presence?
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If I would want a real private messenger I will use real pigeons or smoke signals in a language that nobody is using it.
People should stop considering that you have privacy on internet...
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For 3 I don't know but for 1 and 2:
  1. Forks are available from f-droid: forkgram, nekogram, etc.
  2. And with VoIP.ms it can be cheap to rent a phone number even very temporarily.
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I reckon you only need a number once, for verification.
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