Next rewards experiment idea \ stacker news ~meta

3299 sats \ 12 comments \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 18 Dec 2023 meta

I thought I would share my thoughts on what the next "rewards experiment" should look like. Or maybe, it could be the "end-game", who knows. Honestly, I forget what all the past experiments even were, so maybe this has already been tried?

It feels like with the randomness introduced, stackers have been held more accountable to produce quality content and/or zap good content, not knowing which behavior will be rewarded. Of course, this is just a feeling and not supported by any hard evidence. But I think that was the original intent, so success!

However, I think it can be discouraging to some when maybe you zap a really good post early on a day where zapping ends up not being rewarded, or maybe you make a really great comment on a day where early zapping is rewarded, instead.

My idea is as follows: Both behaviors (zapping top content, creating top content) get rewarded a guaranteed 10% of the rewards pool daily. The remaining 80% gets randomly distributed between the two behaviors on a daily basis. The goal is that this would keep stackers accountable to work towards each goal, knowing that they will get some reward, and maybe a lot more, depending on the random draw.

In any case, I'd love to hear your opinion of both this proposal, or maybe some others! Thank you for reading.

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1205 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

If I'm not mistaken there was more of a balance months ago, which makes sense. Can someone explain to me why we have this lottery, where people try to guess and game the system? What's wrong with rewarding good posts and comments and zapping good posts and comments every day, equally?

948 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi OP 18 Dec 2023

I think the predictability could be gamed, which is probably why the randomness was introduced to begin with. If you have certain strategies to game the system, it’s inherently a gamble if you don’t know which reward type is going to be chosen on a given day.

I trust k00b and co to find the right balance, I just wanted to share a suggestion.

321 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr 18 Dec 2023

you’re right, that was a past experiment and i am most optimistic about that one of all the rewards structures SN has tried so far, especially as creators start investing a lot of time into earning on SN.

however, i think there will still be lots of experimenting going forward with different levers as we’re all still learning how money and social media can/should interact with each other.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 18 Dec 2023

I appreciate the experimentation, and hope we grow a thriving ecosystem here! Looking forward to continued growth!

58 sats \ 2 replies \ @Nuttall 18 Dec 2023

Interesting. I'd love to crawl through the data and make charts on this by

Zaps
Responses
Link
Link with content
Share idea with content
Original description with paragraphs, vocabulary, structure, grammar and word count.
Responses with same metrics as 6
How many thoughtful responses
Divergent threads
Paid responses
Zapped responses

None of the above things seem random other than who is interested.

12 Bird dog metrics - Who actually shared posts outside and bright in New readers?

Yes, I'd love to dig into the data and anonymize the data in structures. Like painting a picture of the day's model discussion.

Whatever is going on here with Stacker I'm really liking it and I'd like to help it grow.

As far as what content works and what does not I learned from some very smart early media people that you never look behind for too long. You can get some data but it doesn't matter you keep working on the next thing and eventually you are recognized as the subject matter expert because you've done more work than anyone else.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

This data would be interesting. Are you actually considering giving it a shot?

43 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 18 Dec 2023

I would love to but I don't have the access. I used to make data models for estimating in construction and other projects using open office, libre office connecting to a database using the base part of the SQL GUI and extracting different models.

Even when I used to do my taxes I would create a database and figure out where my money went. It made it fun to discover where I was buying crap.

My weakness is that I can make the queries but it would be much better to use SQL and then PHP to generate HTML presentations. This I am woefully under skilled.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @Entrep 18 Dec 2023

I love the randomness of the reward system, it can hardly be predictable

24 sats \ 0 replies \ @Natalia 18 Dec 2023

Both behaviors (zapping top content, creating top content) get rewarded a guaranteed 10% of the rewards pool daily.

good idea, or make it 21%

15 sats \ 0 replies \ @joyepzion 18 Dec 2023

Ideas like this are great until we attain perfection on the reward system of which I doubt it happening because nothing is ever perfect so we settle for excellence

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @lunanto 18 Dec 2023

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @hyperfree 18 Dec 2023 freebie

"I think it can be discouraging to some when maybe you zap a really good post early on a day where zapping ends up not being rewarded, or maybe you make a really great comment on a day where early zapping is rewarded, instead."

Generally speaking you should not aim at getting paid but aim at gaining knowledge. The rewards should be irrelevant. If you think about rewards more than about the actual topic you're already compromised no? Your thinking should be independent from monetary incentives.