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Leaving out signing devices, what is the safest way to generate a private key?

324 sats \ 28 comments \ @boisechampion 18 Dec 2023 bitcoin freebie

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20 sats \ 6 replies \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

Get out the dice. Just be sure you know what you're doing.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

I've rolled the dice. Now what do I do?

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

No you haven't :) Read this: https://blog.lopp.net/how-to-securely-create-a-bitcoin-seed-phrase/

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

First step says to buy a Coldcard. I'm asking how to create the safest setup without a hardware device.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

???. You asked how to generate a private key. I don't see anything about safest setup?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

Lets forget I said setup. My question still stays the same. What is the safest way to generate a private key without using hardware?

Do you have to run a node with bitcoin core? Is is safe to do it with Sparrow? If I roll dice in the real world where do I put it in online?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 18 Dec 2023

I misunderstood what you're asking. This is beyond my area of expertise. Maybe someone else here can give you an answer. Good luck.

14 sats \ 1 reply \ @sudonaka 18 Dec 2023

Electrum on tails OS - look up Darthcoins guide about not needing a “hardware wallet”

Sorry on mobile can’t link

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @elysia 18 Dec 2023

https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/coldstorage.html

14 sats \ 0 replies \ @quark 18 Dec 2023

This in an offline computer https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

what about using an open source offline random number generator and the bip 39 word list of 2048 words, and generate it that way?

1 sat \ 11 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

flip coins. Tutorial by Wicked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5h7A7kRM8Y

60 sats \ 10 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

Thank you. The instructions state you need a Coldcard. I want to do this without a hardware device.

1 sat \ 9 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

the only thing the coldcard does is give 8 options for the 24th word. there must be a way to get those 8 options without a coldcard. I'll ask around

0 sats \ 8 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

Thank you. All I'm really asking is how do I generate 24 seed words as safely as possible without hardware?

Said another way. I know there are Bitcoiners who don't ever touch hardware devices. So how do they safely generate their 24 words along with all their addresses.

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

not to sound rude, but why don't you ask them? haha I don't know any bitcoiners who do it without hardware devices else I'd ask myself....

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

I don't know any personally. Just influencers or anons and none of them will answer me. Hence, Stacker News.

35 sats \ 4 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

hey, I was able to reach wicked, and he mentioned this: You can run some terminal commands to get the 24th word but that will only be as secure as the computer you're running it on. Here's a guide https://armantheparman.com/dicev2/

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

This is linked within the guide...you'll have to do sha256 on paper lol. takes a while https://armantheparman.com/sha256/

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @needcreations_ 18 Dec 2023

can you name them? Maybe someone knows them and can reach out

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Krv 19 Dec 2023

Dice, plus a computer with some linux installed and connectivity disabled. You need the computer because sha256 hash needs to be calculated to give you the 24th word. (Without that, you'd need to test up to 256 different 24th words to find which final word renders a valid seed. But it's reaaly bad to choose your own seed anyways.)The tool mentioned elsewhere, https://github.com/iancoleman/bip39, is good for this. You can save the html file in a pen drive and then, later, load it on the computer without any internet. You can use it to input the dice rolls and it will produce a corresponding seed phrase. Please look for instructions on that for more precise steps. You'll need 99 rolls to get 24 word randomness.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @purpurato 18 Dec 2023

I use an old laptop that stays offline

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @boisechampion OP 18 Dec 2023

I have an old laptop. Now what do I do?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 18 Dec 2023

Install Tails and use electrum

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @c137Heather 19 Dec 2023

I believe you can save the webpage: https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ as an .html file and move it on a usb drive to the old laptop. then you can use it to enter your 23 words (however you got them-dice, etc) and the webpage will generate the 24th word for you. I don't know if this is as safe for a significant amount of money. I am not technical at all and I have played around with it for fun mostly. There might be a reason not to do this from a security standpoint.