30 sats \ 37 replies \ @Bell_curve 9 Feb \ parent \ on: Does the Economy Need Migrants? and related discussion econ
These fears are legitimate. Violent Crimes committed in Europe are overwhelmingly from North Africa, Middle East, Afghanistan
In the US, illegal immigration may help to keep wages artificially low (bad for workers, good for employers), ensures future population growth (good for economic growth, bad for government obligations), and supports growth of the democratic national party membership (good for democrats, bad for republicans).
It's a nuanced issue here.
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Regarding population and economic growth, explain India … we should not aspire to be India or Indonesia
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Growth of Democrat voters is a dealbreaker.
Hispanics have the second largest incarceration rate in USA.
25 to 30 percent of prison population is foreign born.
9-11 terrorists had expired tourist visas.
Regarding population growth, USA population is currently 330 million. How much growth can we support? 1 billion?
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TBC, I'm not condoning it. I am trying to describe the incentives. US population (based on birth rates) is set to decline without immigration. Turns out when you saddle people expanding debt, diminishing wages, and rising cost of living, they don't want to reproduce.
Crime is good for a police state. They give you the problem and the solution, which is always the expansion of state administrative powers.
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The main incentive is importing left wing voters. I have a friend whose wife came illegally from Guatemala. Now she is a citizen who votes left. This isn’t right. Total BS she can vote
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I hate the thing those do...is exactly what they want. You keep thinking its the politicians and the vote that matters, while the unelected administrative state marches on growing larger and larger and more insulated from election outcomes.
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The country has since inception extended the right to vote from non-citizens to citizens, who arrive by various means. If you're objecting, what it means to be a citizen is where you can direct your objections.
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Not from Mexico. For railroad workers we imported Chinese labor after 1862 , the transcontinental railroad act.
We used to have Chinese exclusion act 1882 and oriental exclusion act which were repealed in 1957.
We have never encouraged illegal immigration until recently. Before there was a semblance of law. Now we don’t pretend- it’s shameless and brazen.
Before 1914 we had open immigration from mostly Europe because there was no income tax and no welfare benefits.
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The biden open border policy may seem bizarre or misguided but it is an intenional plan to expand administrative powers in service of the expansion of the bureaucratic police state. Grandpa Joe cant chew his food, much less think of a great plan to expand the bureaucratic state. This is far beyond elected officials. Our democracy is an illusion.
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I agree the deep state, administrative state is a big problem. How does open immigration fit? Serious question
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“According to Germany's Interior Ministry, 27 illegal migrants either committed or attempted to commit murder or manslaughter in 2017.
The 447 figure used by AfD actually refers to all asylum seekers and refugees, most of whom are in Germany legally.
Overall this group was 15% of the total 2,971 suspects linked to these crimes in Germany last year.”
15% is not “overwhelming”, or? I am not saying immigrants do not commit crime either.
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I think 15% is high or disproportionate unless asylum seekers and refugees are more than 15% of German population.
Here is USA 🇺🇸 example: over 50 percent of homicides are committed by blacks
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What is over 50%? 51% or 90%? How many of those “black” are refugees, asylum seekers, immigrants?
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60 percent
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Can you provide some data for this statement? Because I don’t think this is true.
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I can tell from your skepticism that data will not change your mind
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Thanks for sharing, I will give it a try. The article could be better written though, for example, the key findings by Adamson lack reference but I will try to look it up. Also there are parts that need more time to think through like this graph
I just don’t see where this 3.6% increase in the rate comes from. The reference gives some nonsense data table at this point. Moreover, as always, this would be still a correlation analysis-these are tricky.
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Yup. I haven't read it, but just from what you showed it's got the signs of the classic ice cream causes people to drown argument.
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Who doesn’t love ice cream except for dieters?
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Presumably the people who drown are less enthused, but admittedly I'm guessing.
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Who is drowning in the context of immigration?
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Are you comparing immigrants to ice cream? Bad metaphor
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Where do you live? Germany?
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Does it matter? Don’t take me wrong, I think it’s ok people are scared, I think this is something we as humans have encoded in our genes and that helped us to survive. I have problem with the politicians who are feeding the devil.
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Which politicians? Trump? Le Pen? Geert Wilders?
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Exactly! And many others.
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I support Trump because he agrees with me not because he persuaded or brainwashed me
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And so you don’t mind that Trump is a proven liar, cheater, fraud, criminal, disrespectful, disgusting person offending anyone from women to people of different race or nationality?
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I don’t mind at all. No politician is perfect. He is an outsider, I like that about him. The ruling class hates him. We have similar views on immigrants and shit hole countries.
Trump has made insensitive comments about Mexicans and Muslims but is he wrong?
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