Which brings more peace if it happens in the next 12 months? \ stacker news ~bitcoin

Which brings more peace if it happens in the next 12 months?

5959 sats \ 71 comments \ @mallardshead 28 Feb bitcoin

Everyone speaks same language9.1%

Everyone uses same decentralized money90.9%

77 votes \ poll ended

677 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 28 Feb

I assumed the decentralized money had similar favorable properties to bitcoin. If it were decentralized such that anyone could print as much as they wanted, I doubt that would help much.

War is funded by fiat, as is tyranny, as is corruption. Peace is more than the absence of those things, but their absence is more peaceful than their presence, other things equal.

668 sats \ 6 replies \ @south_korea_ln 28 Feb

Neither.

Same language: naah, already so many countries speak the same language, still in-fighting. If only we could understand what uncle Kim from the North is telling us. If only New Yorkers could understand Texans... etc
Decentralized money: naaah... but more like a gut-feeling. Never tested before.

121 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Texans would defeat New York because only one side has guns.

In the case of Korea two different countries despite same language and ethnicity

North Korea 🇰🇵 is a backward economy that cannot feed its people. 80 percent reliance on China 🇨🇳 for electricity and energy and possibly uranium

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @south_korea_ln 28 Feb

Yes, those two examples were tongue-in-cheek: even with a common language, the people are too different to behave peacefully together.

180 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Even Germany 🇩🇪 struggles with it today after reunification in 1990.

East Germany is still poorer in almost every important way than west Germany

The old iron curtain effect

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

This is more like saying Packer and Bear fans dislike one another though. See my reply to K00b above.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

I read your reply where you quoted Hume.

East and West Germans are like bears vs packers fans?

I am not seeing the analogy. And I follow football.

Bears have been owned by the Halas family since inception.

Packers are owned by the town.

Both are original NFL teams, 1920

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Agree especially in 12 months

571 sats \ 9 replies \ @k00b 28 Feb

For the last few centuries we've used the same money in some sense but a group has been in control of it. The group abusing and leveraging their control is at least one input to war. I think obsoleting that group stands a chance of reducing the magnitude of war at least.

Sharing language could make compromise easier but by the same token (hehe) it could make disagreeing easier. Sharing language does not conclude by sharing power, we divide ourselves arbitrarily when there's nothing meaningful to divide on, and I feel like power imbalances fuel and sustain division.

395 sats \ 6 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

Great reply (and pun too) @k00b. Basically I asked the question based on this David Hume quote I saw:

Two men who pull the oars of a boat, do it by an agreement or convention, tho they have never given promises to one another. In like manner are languages, gradually established by human conventions, without any promise. Much like gold and silver become the common measure of exchange and are esteemed sufficient payment for what is 100 times their value.

Probably, his quote doesn't make sense if universal commodity money (gold/silver) isn't considered, and is instead replaced with fiat, because going back to your first point about money control, fiat value is based on issuing authority trust; acceptance is based on laws requiring its use (i.e, explicit agreements and promises)—etc.

Fiat's value then, didn't organically emerge in the way distributed commodity money did, or emerge in the way language did. In that fundamental way, I feel they're quite similar (language, decentralized money), and that as humans, we're undoubtedly trending towards a universal language and money, slowly of course, not so disruptively. When they both color everything, only space colonization will disrupt them meaningfully. Then again, maybe I don't understand Hume's quote — I'm no philosophy study. But I did mess up with the poll putting that 12-mo timeframe.

443 sats \ 2 replies \ @tenderscore 28 Feb

I'm going with neither now that i think about it.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

If I said the western hemisphere (americas) is mostly a two language and two religion hemisphere, and that this is essentially a war-free zone, does it lend any validity to universal language having cooperative powers, or is that an invalid example?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Monroe doctrine

If illegal aliens spoke English we wouldn’t need to hear “press 2 for Spanish”

California is now Mexifornia

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Money and language developed differently.

Language has developed without central planning.

Nations have attempted to stifle language almost always by a dictatorship.

Money or currency is controlled by the state

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

the nuance I was talking about here was commodity money versus fiat money.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Sorry for misunderstanding

Commodity money definitely developed a different way for sure.

Gold and silver being most common

The keyword in Hume philosophy is convention. Traditions customs mores developed over decades or centuries

308 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Elimination of central bank will help Argentina 🇦🇷 and change it for the better.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Military industrial complex warned by Eisenhower in 1960.

Deep state shenanigans

468 sats \ 2 replies \ @Taft 28 Feb

Both language and decentralized money, among others, can play a crucial role in promoting peace. Perhaps a harmonious combination of both and some other factors would be ideal!

So, you should have added a third option on the pull: Both language and decentralized money.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

🎯 I gave a reply above to koob highlighting just this in a little different way.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taft 28 Feb

Yes, I read it!

349 sats \ 2 replies \ @0fje0 28 Feb

Interesting though experiment.

Just an observation:

Asking this on a forum like SN would probably skew towards EVERYONE USES THE SAME DECENTRALIZED MONEY, because everyone here sort of already "speaks the same language".

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Definitely

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

This is correct. It sort of ties into the reply I gave to K00b above on their similarities.

323 sats \ 3 replies \ @Coinsreporter 28 Feb

Neither of the two are going to happen in 12 months.

It takes centuries to transform language models. It also takes centuries to implement a new way of financial system. We are so used to of the centralized money that we think it as easy in terms of using. To use a decentralized form of money freely, the world needs to transform first. We need to eradicate those big financial boundaries. There must be an overall consensus among most of the countries. However, the consensus should not be like European Central Bank, rather it should be based on Bitcoin's principles and let the people govern how they want to use their money.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

Correct. It was based on a specific time frame. Given your reply, which of the two arrive first? Uni money or language?

25 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 28 Feb

Uni money ... With all signals indicating towards this reform..

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Free competition banking, end nationalization of currency or no state monopoly on money and currency. Hayek wrote a book or essay about this

364 sats \ 5 replies \ @kr 28 Feb

excellent question, i need to think about this before answering

1004 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr 28 Feb

i ended up picking language.

i think if the entire world used bitcoin this year, the scarcity of 21 million would be viewed by most as a reason to not be peaceful

493 sats \ 2 replies \ @south_korea_ln 28 Feb

Very true. If it comes with a full collapse of the value of traditional assets, it would be truly chaotic at first. No chance it'll happen like that though.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @jeff 28 Feb

Why would value collapse?

If a bitcoin was worth 5x the median salary, a new car would still be worth 0.4x the median salary.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln 28 Feb

Sorry, probably not using the right language. I meant it in the following sense:

Fiat worthless compared to Dollar
Housing market going back to its "real" value than its speculative value
Stocks going back to their fundamentals
Etc

Basically, i was thinking of a scenario where the only way to store value is by owning Bitcoin. Housing, stocks, are now mostly seen as investments to beat inflation. This would not happen anymore in the scenario i was thinking of.

But I'm no econ expert, by far. So you can certainly poke many holes in my logic.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

This choice, if I had to choose as the poll forces, given the timeframe, I'd agree with. I replied above to K00b but trying to link it before edit time expires won't let me. That's the longer reply.

270 sats \ 2 replies \ @joda 28 Feb

Everyone takes mushrooms and MDMA

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

Agree with the former! Psilocybin I can vouch for, esp micro-dosed, taken with lion's mane and a thermogenic like niacin. Fungus is sort of a deep rabbit hole itself. Can't vouch for MDMA though, pretty wicked day after effects, too much like fiat.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @joda 28 Feb

But MDMA is the empathogen, so I think it "brings more peace".

I also think mushrooms are more peace-promoting at higher doses. Nothing against micro-dosing, but it feels like either training wheels or hustle-culture biohacking. Kinda like going all-in on Bitcoin with all your savings and retirement, versus dabbling a little on an exchange, buying and selling for little profits.

234 sats \ 2 replies \ @030e0dca83 28 Feb

We already have a couple languages everyone knows or speaks. That's why I voted for money. Permissionless money will kill the state and our world will become global

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

If I said this was true for the Americas, then you look around at the fact war is more or less non-existent in this hemisphere, does it add any validity to universal language, or is that example invalid?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @030e0dca83 28 Feb

What about binary code? This is our common language PCs use on both hemispheres

260 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

@mallardshead can you elaborate on what you mean by peace? Peace on earth? Peace in Ukraine? Peace in the cities? Peace as in no more antifa or blm riots?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

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260 sats \ 3 replies \ @tenderscore 28 Feb

language for sure

100 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

But that won’t happen in 12 months. Language takes time to learn

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

of course, it's hypothetical.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

In that case, language. I am not convinced bitcoin or something similar leads to peace. Look at the comments on SN lol

The major wars have been English speaking vs German or Russian, Hebrew vs Arabic

There have been civil wars and Korean and Vietnam war where combatants spoke same language.

Maybe currency is more important than language

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xIlmari 28 Feb

Money is the language of value.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @wassersnaus 28 Feb

money talks

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @CheezeGrater 28 Feb

There's not that much of a difference between Russian and Ukrainian languages... just saying.

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @TNStacker 28 Feb

Tower of Babel? Really?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

Had to get biblical, felt like it raised the importance.

25 sats \ 1 reply \ @justanumber 28 Feb

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

The world has been trending towards a single language for a very long time. It's possible we had one at one point long ago, but it was primitive, unusable by today's standards, like gold is.

31 sats \ 11 replies \ @w3irdrobot 28 Feb

just because everyone understands each other doesn't mean they are going to like what others are saying.

0 sats \ 10 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

My contempt for Elizabeth Warren is unrelated to lack of understanding. I understand perfectly what the fake Cherokee is saying

0 sats \ 9 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

To be fair she never said she was, her DNA test showed she had Cherokee ancestry, which is how it was worded. Also, bitcoin never lost anything with Warren in office for over a decade. It never will. She is no threat and never was.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

The reason for her DNA test was to respond to Trump calling her pocohontas for 4 years

0 sats \ 7 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

The dna test she had indigenous not Cherokee ancestry. 6 to 10 generations away.

Warren has been a phony her entire life.

She was hired by Harvard as a Native American. Harvard listed her as a Native American employee.

In 1986 she identified as American Indian to Texas bar.

From Wikipedia: According to Warren and her brothers, older family members told them during their childhood that they had some Native American ancestry.[166][167] In 2012, she said that "being Native American has been part of my story, I guess, since the day I was born".[168] In 1984,[169][170] Warren contributed recipes to a Native American cookbook and identified herself as Cherokee.

0 sats \ 6 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Being 0.1 percent indigenous doesn’t get you into any tribe

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

Phonies don’t bother you? You must work in Hollywood

Cherokee nation has not accepted her. She was forced to apologize to Cherokee nation after they denounced her

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

what about her 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s?

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

it takes more? more of what?

scalping?

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 28 Feb

She lied about her ancestry because of affirmative action.

Harvard never would have hired her.

Her credentials are not impressive for a lawyer or scholar.

If she didn't lie about her Cherokee heritage, she wouldn't be famous.

So congrats to her for getting ahead based on a lie

sometimes lying is the better policy

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheWildHustle 28 Feb

Broken money is causing a global havoc.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Roll 28 Feb

Meditation is a key to more peace in order to view of compulsivity/anger/sadness/crazyness and so much... to calm them down

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kilianbuhn 28 Feb

language isn't a hurdle anymore. Translation is electronic and pretty good nowadays. Blaming missing nuance of words is a 20th century phenomenon 📺

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead OP 28 Feb

A language influences a person's mind and how they view the world. Language is a significant hurdle still. I can say this just using some of my own family members as examples.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @IamSINGLE 28 Feb freebie

No need to overthink. Everyone will speak same language. Live peacefully. No use of gums and destructive machines. Rusiia and China will all speak in 'Enruma'. Enruma will be taught from Nursery and you can even obtain a degree in it from next year onwards. Oxford and Stanford are the first to offer higher courses in Enruma

Enruma, BTW is a mix up of English Russisn Chinese.... ma stands for Mandarin...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @jetecs6 28 Feb

We already knew the answer guys . WORLD now is circulating with digital currency so might (maybe) when u wake up , Earth is using yhe same currency HEHE