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So the financial literacy team from one of the largest banks in my country came over to deliver an assembly talk on financial literacy. Just as you might have expected, they shared about the need to save, spend and share your money. My teenagers were suitably engaged.
What struck me as interesting was how they brought up Kakeibo, the Japanese art of budgeting money. Japanese people used to meticulously plan a budget according to pertinent spending categories and record by hand every transaction. That way, they could easily determine where their money was going and whether they needed to cut down on their purchases so that they could achieve their saving goals.
My wife doesn’t record down by hand her expenses, but she uses an app. There will be hell to pay if I throw away her supermarket receipt by mistake. She will feel as if her world runs out of equilibrium - I’m not exaggerating.
On the other hand, I don’t keep a budget. I just make sure that I save my desired amount of money and pay all my bills on time every month. I also keep a buffer just in case unexpected expenses occur.
I downloaded a budgeting app when my son was born. But I gave up using it after 2-3 months because it was just so tedious lol. Also, I’m quite a careful spender. I don’t earn that much but I’m usually in control of my finances.
So do you keep a budget?
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Yeah I studied Finance, so I budget at home, budget at work, budget for organizations where I volunteer. People are scared of money.
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Budgeting is so empowering when you're poor. I was living off of a 20 hour a week student job throughout undergrad and I was accumulating savings because of my budget. Most Americans would have thought it impossible to afford rent and food and everything else on that income.
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That’s a good point. Budgeting helps you feel in control of something that will normally make you feel restrained, oppressed even
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Interesting! I have so many questions but I will just ask two:
  1. Don’t you ever get tired of managing budgets all the time?
  2. Do you ever need to tweak the way you budget to fit the specific needs of a particular situation?
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108 sats \ 1 reply \ @TNStacker 7 Mar
  1. I absolutely get tired of budgeting for people who won't do it themselves - family mostly. But I don't mind getting paid for it!
  2. Most every situation is different. One must apply different and applicable variables, especially when projecting and planning.
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Great to be paid for something you don’t mind (and possibly enjoy) doing!
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Budgeting has always been the toughest part in my life. I a a free spender. I don't make too much preplanning before I usually but anything. Yes, one can think that I might have a lot more than you need for survival. I actually do have lot of passive earning options, like agriculture, tenents, transport business, a school and of course our dear Bitcoin.
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283 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullama 7 Mar
You need to spend less than what you make. That's it.
I like to see this at different frequencies.
For example, salaries are usually calculated annually but I calculate how much money I make per hour, day, week, month, etc.
Then I also calculate every expense I have per day, month, year, etc.
Then it is easy to see where I should cut down and where I can spend more on.
So, yeah, I do have a budget.
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Ohhhhh you just opened up my mind. I’m gonna calculate my hourly wage and think about how I can increase it haha
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I don't stick to a strict budget because it makes me feel like I have to spend all the money allocated. Instead, I carefully consider every purchase. For essentials, I don't think twice and buy them without much thought. However, for more expensive items, I never buy on impulse. I wait a few days to see if it was just a whim or if I really want/need it.
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Is there any area of your life that is a sheer indulgence? Like cars, watches, shoes, etc?
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No! I come from a poor family and was always raised to be thrifty. I don't spend money without thinking twice. I'm not a consumerist. I'm actually surprised at myself at how easily I can give away satoshis. I'm also trying to follow the FIRE movement.
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No budget for me.
I manage cash flow and invoices
I save 10 percent of my income and get by on 90 percent.
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I’m sorry if I appear rude by asking this, but does it bother you that you save 10% of your income? Seems that the prevailing trend is to save 20-30-40-50% of our income, especially because of the FIRE movement
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At least 10 percent.
I try to be realistic
Doesn’t bother me 😊
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110 sats \ 1 reply \ @q 7 Mar
Yes I'm doing something called envelope budgeting since a while back. Previous I just set a side a fixed amout of fiat for bitcoin and savings the first thing when the pay check arrived.
Today I'm budgeting more granual to have more options to change my behaviour.
A tool I use is https://actualbudget.org
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Thanks for introducing me the tool. First time I heard of it!
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Roughly.
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I assume you don’t monitor every single expense but have a rough idea of the total expenses you incur under spending categories?
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Kept a meticulous home made spreadsheet budget when my expenses were week to week / month to month, but not so much anymore. Instead I have separate checking accounts that I load up twice a month with set amounts for different types of expenses.
For example, food/gas is a checking account that gets X amount on the 1st and 15th. Bills is a checking account, and that's easy enough because I know what those are going to be every month. Other less frequent expenses are loosely categorized into a few other other checking accounts that slowly increase with each pay day.
Sort of a digital "envelope method", so I'm still keeping track of what is going where.
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108 sats \ 2 replies \ @BTCFC 7 Mar
I used to keep a budget using app, and at the time it helped me visually see where my money was being spent and my spending to saving ratio month to month. However, that has since changed and I no longer budget in the conventional sense. What Bitcoin has taught me is that money is a tool, a very powerful one, and is a tool everyone must take the time to learn, or else some other not well intentioned people will use it in order to control you. It also has taught me both the importance of saving as well as learning to deploy capital in a mindful manner. Therefore, I no longer keep a budget, instead I'm much more mindful when I spend my money. And outside of the money that is saved for emergencies and inheritance, money is meant to be spent and deployed, it's just up to the individual whether or not they spend it in a way that benefits their life long term or makes them broke. Thus, I'm much more confident in the way I spend money and nowadays rarely second guess or regret any purchases because I have more clarity in what I want and what I need in order to improve and enjoy my life.
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Indeed. Seeing how you probe deep into cold showers and coffee and probably everything else, I have come to associate you with mindfulness 😀
Is there something in your life that you don’t track and just go with the flow? Curious
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Honestly, I go with the flow quite a bit, just in a mindful manner lol! My general philosophy is to be on top of it 90 - 95% of the time but then do whatever the other 5 - 10%. So within that 10% would be like days in which I'll eat things that don't really benefit me but I want the hit of dopamine I get from eating it, or whenever my gf wants to eat something sweet I'll save my 10% for that, which also would be the 10% or so I give myself with making purchases that don't really serve a purpose other than making me (my brain) feel good in that moment. I used be more like if I don't track everything meticulously and if ever I stray away from the plan, it would impact my overall mood, but nowadays I'm much easier on myself. It's now more of a control the controllables, but also be adaptable to ever changing external environments.
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For a number of years I was using cash only and envelopes (learned from Dave Ramsey's course in 2006). I had envelopes for food, rent, gas, and those types of things, as well as an envelope for every monthly or annual expense, such as an annual gym membership. I broke down all expenses into the correct amount to place into the envelope every two weeks, and ensured the amount I was adding would add up to the correct amount on the day I needed it. I went to the bank when I was paid every two weeks and got the correct amount of cash in the correct denominations to fill all the envelopes. I had an envelope for six months of expenses that I filled up with the extra money I had. It worked beautifully.
Then I moved to Mexico, and stopped most of the above. Moving money between countries, paying currency exchange fees, not knowing what the Mexican government will do seeing all this money moving in and out of a Mexican bank account, and keeping that much cash in my home were all problematic. Now there are two envelopes for spending; food and household. All other items are usually paid with a credit card (I avoided credit cards for a long time) and paid off in full every month.
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Sounds like you have adapted wonderfully!
Hope you are getting some sort of cashbacks or miles from using your credit cards. That’s a common occurrence in Singapore, haha
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I REALLY enjoyed using cash because it kept my financial activity completely private. I would use cash to buy money orders to pay rent for an apartment (those places never take cash (!!!)) Now that I'm thinking more of this I remember I began using the credit card a few years before moving to Mexico so I could maximize the number of points on my credit card.
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108 sats \ 2 replies \ @2d 7 Mar
Yes, I find it not only helpful but kind of therapeutic to plan and maintain a pretty meticulous budget.
You need a budget is a great tool for this imo - takes a bit to get used to it / up and running but I’ve used it for years and love it
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I read the book You Need A Budget haha
Okay, that app doesn’t record transactions in sats, right? How do you circumvent this challenge?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @2d 7 Mar
Not that I’m aware of, no. There may be some custom currency conversions available but I haven’t played around with that.
I just set up multiple buckets for btc allocations - “cash” / lightning, cold storage, Ira, etc. end of each week I’ll do a quick reconciliation to update their ending $$ amounts. I suppose you could convert and log transactions as they happen but I’ve kept it simple as my primarily budgeting use case there is dca
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108 sats \ 2 replies \ @OT 7 Mar
I feel like I'm also a careful spender. It might be something a lot of bitcoiners have in common.
As for budgeting, we keep a bit extra in case a bunch of bills come around the same time. I give about 2/3 of my salary to my wife who manages the daily purchases etc. Then the rest goes into the corn
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Having rainy day funds is prudent.
N kudos to you for entrusting so much of your salary to your wife. I can’t do that. What my wife and I do is that we deposit part of our salaries into a joint account. She is free to use our savings there in ways that she deems fit. But hell forbid that I don’t get to spend my own money haha
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 8 Mar
Lol
I should explain a bit more. The bills also come out of my wifes portion.
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Yes, it's thanks to budgeting that I noticed savings were being cleaned out, and I needed to do something with it, setting aside funds was the easy part, finding a way to store it long term sent me down so many rabbit holes, stocks, ETFs, bitcoin, altcoins, tax efficient accounts lol FML, its a miracle I made it through and I get why so many people don't even want to deal with it
I don't keep a set figure budget, my credit cards cap is my budget, I use credit for most of my stuff but never spend more than I can service before the 55 days without interest and the rest I put to long term storage and a small emergency cash fund which I accept keeps getting devalued and I've marked as 0 in my head
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That’s a healthy attitude to have. Most people are ironically apprehensive of spending their emergency funds. I mean, that’s what you already set aside for, right? Just spend it to solve your problems lol
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108 sats \ 1 reply \ @go 7 Mar
YES.
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Just like how No is a complete sentence. Haha
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108 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 7 Mar
I keep a budget but my wife doesn't. Oh the sats she could have acquired. Fortunately she doesn't have expensive taste so can't do too much damage.
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Low maintenance is best haha.
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Yes, I have been using a budget and recording all my expenses for years.
For me, is the only way to know where the money is going to...And if I've spent too much in one category, I know where I need to cut back.
I do it in an excel, no app.
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You remind me of what my English teacher used to say: Keep it simple, stupid
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I don't necessarily have a strict budget, but I do track everything I spend. It allows me to easily see the areas I can trim back.
I set aside a small amount every week as spending money to be used for something that isn't a necessity. Whenever I see something I like, I save pictures and information about it to a wishlist and start saving toward it. I've found that waiting a few weeks and "saving up" before making a larger purchase almost completely eliminates the mistakes that can be made with impulse purchases.
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Ohhh great tip! I’m gonna adopt this. Finding pictures n information helps prolong the utility you derive from a purchase. I wonder why I have never bothered to do it haha
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108 sats \ 1 reply \ @kytt 7 Mar
No, but I should. I'm mostly conscious with our spending, but it would be nice to find out where we overspend. I've been thinking about this recently.
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Good luck! Let us know how it turns out!
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Pay yourself first. After a few years of work I went from meticulous recording to socking away 20% of income right off the top. Not as satisfying for my nerd brain but way more effective.
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I love how you mention the cardinal rule of saving. I have another mantra I often repeat to myself: every dollar must serve a purpose. lol
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I do not keep a budget. For me, that is scarcity mind set. I trust that I always have enough and therefore I do. I grew up pretty poor, and I think it helped me learn that there is nothing to fear when it comes to having money and getting my needs met. I have not worked a regular job for years. I spend money on things I want, when I want them. If I have the money to do something, I do it. That being said, I live incredibly simply. I almost never plan things. I leave it up to the universe and somehow it always works out. For me, budgeting is a bit like having insurance or wearing a seatbelt. It is telling the universe that I am afraid of something bad happening. And if I have fear, I am more likely to attract that outcome. So instead, I focus on leading from the heart. No budget, no plans, just living in the now. Maybe this is a stupid way to live. Works for me though.
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Incredible. I think I used to be more like you when I was single. I trusted that the Universe would make things happen my way somehow. Travelled cheaply using overnight buses and staying at others’ houses with Couchsurfing haha. Things changed overnight when I became a father. Sigh
Did you do an AMA before about setting a BTC miner out in the desert?
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Totally. My kids are mostly raised now. Having kids changes everything. When they were young, I was in my planning and providing focused approach to life. Now, I love being alone, because I have all the faith in the world in myself. No matter what comes, I know I have useful skills and that is all I need. I did do an AMA. I put it up with a video link that I have since removed. I decided I didn't want my face online anymore. HI will likely make another better video showing my setup and leave my face out of it. Here is the post
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I will remember useful skills. Indeed there is all we need.
I read your AMA. So conversely where is the veil heavy?
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Environments with dense energies. Big cities. Places where we are very disconnected from nature. Inside buildings under fluorescent lights absorbed into a tiny screen. Nature is all beautiful, but the desert feels special to me. I am from here so I am biased for sure. The cycles of life and death, hot and cold, move quickly here. Its feels like a lighter vibration to me.
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I don't budget. I keep what I need to pay my bills, and put most of what remains into bitcoin, which is probably around 60% of my income.
When I decide I want to buy something discretionary, I add it to my wish list. I revise the wish list periodically, remove some things from it, reprioritize them, and occasionally, when I feel it's high time or it's justified, I'll buy something. For example, a new thermostat, mattress or fruit tree to improve my citadel, make it more efficient, productive etc.
Keeping items on the wish list for months or years gives me plenty of time to think whether I really need them, and allows me to benefit from the ever-falling prices.
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This works for beginners!
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Retyping my comment after a cup of coffee:
We've discussed my envelope budgeting method before and you told me it was a traditional Japanese method as well. I used that in college and we've budgeted when our finances were tight.
Neither my wife or I are very inclined towards spending lots of money, so our budgeting has lapsed. She keeps on eye on our finances and tells me when we need to tighten up.
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