I'm getting ready to buy some miners and get them hosted with some pretty decent electricity costs. However, as I drift into this world I realize... Holy fuck, the mining business is a crap shoot where timing is EXTREMELY important.
Let me explain. So let's say you pay 20 mil sats for miners. Then you need to pay X sats for monthly electricity. Now halving. Now bitcoin price goes up, and in DOLLAR terms, you pay off the miners. Here's the question, did you actually recoup the original amount in BITCOIN terms??? EEK!? Scary question for someone denominating in bitcoin.
Reasons to mine: (Credit to Wilson bros for some of the ideas on this list)
  1. Getting bitcoin below spot price (sometimes. see factors below)
  2. Good source of KYC-free sats (if you don't dox yourself to the host)
  3. Idealogical reasons: Securing the system
  4. As a hobby (less relevant for people hosting)
Factors to consider: (Credit to Jon from Pleb Miner Mafia for a few of these factors)
  1. Future change in bitcoin subsidy (aka the halving)
  2. Hash price
  3. Hash value
  4. Efficiency of miners you bought
  5. Cost of miners you bought
  6. Tx fees
  7. Difficulty adjustments
  8. Value of bitcoin in dollar denominated terms (if you're planning to make a dollar denominated profit)
  9. Opportunity cost of the bitcoin you're selling today for the miners in exchange for a trickling of sats over a longer time frame.
I posted this not to educate but to ask. Feel free to comment below. Would you mine? Yes/No? Why or Why not? And when is the optimal time to jump in (is there one?)
Not paid to advertise this obviously, but they deserve some love, so check out https://wilson.mining.io to meet the amazing brothers hosting this small hosting farm (no really, it's on an actual farm).
I presume you typo'ed the URL and meant https://wilsonmining.io/ instead?
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Ah shit I added a . Was doing it from memory. Too bad I can only edit for 10 minutes. Nice catch. I'll boost your comment
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Thanks for the sats!
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I mine at home and heat my house at the same time, so even if the el. price is a bit higher, it still is beneficial. Of course, unless you have many top machines, your reward is just a few thousand sats.
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Of course, unless you have many top machines, your reward is just a few thousand sats
Per month? How many thousands? I'm curious
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i only have s9, running between 450-800 watts (5-8th/s). rewards about 1000 sats/day
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The price difference can be modeled in different ways.
The most important part is what you want to achieve.
If you want to get Bitcoin, you can simply buy it.
If you want to get to know how mining works, you can buy a home unit and tinker with it. You'll get a few sats for your efforts, you can buy the rest.
If you want to dedicate your time as a job, or maybe as a company, then you can go full on into mining. It will require your attention as any other job or company. You will be rewarded with bitcoin for doing so.
Also keep in mind that you could sell any other kind of goods and services for Bitcoin directly.
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Mining is more rewarding even if it gives you less sats than spot.
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Wow! a lot of action on this post, very nice sir.
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I have a bitaxe ultra, definitely just in it for getting into the entire Bitcoin ecosystem.
Bitcoin mining is like leveraged play on Bitcoin price. When Bitcoin price crash, even the miners get cheaper.
You want to secure best miners prior to the pump, but it takes months to deliver and setup miners, a market crash would leave you wondering if you should even mine at a loss.
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I completely agree that mining Bitcoin is a high-risk investment, primarily due to timing. The profitability of Bitcoin mining is profoundly linked to the market price of Bitcoin, and when the price is high, the rewards for mining can cover your daily operating costs such as the original hardware investment and continuing electricity expenses. However, these conditions can change quickly, and Bitcoin halving events, which occur every four years, can have significant impacts on miners by halving the reward for mining new blocks, enabling you to commit the same resources while reaping half the return overnight.
Furthermore, as more people join the network, the complexity of mining increases, which can reduce your potential profits over time. If you've invested considerably in mining equipment, If you've invested considerably in mining instruments and the difficulty suddenly rises, your hardware may become less profitable than it once was.
Finally, the expense of opportunity is a key assessment. The Bitcoin used to buy mining equipment could have been more profitable if kept or invested elsewhere.
As a result, Bitcoin mining demands accurate timing, which increases the danger. To guarantee that your mining operations continue to be rewarding, you must carefully determine when to invest in mining equipment and regularly monitor market and network circumstances.
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I only spot buy not because I can't mine or can't install some in my house or my office. I don't wanna take some extra headache of always thinking about these machines. They are after all like a lottery, if your timing is correct, you get the block reward. Don't like getting paid for luck and to say it more technically, Don't wanna remain thinking about them.
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Interesting, well I'm in China, so I feel you with the difficulties. Wilson mining mitigates a lot of that though. You just pay for the miner and join a pool. They run it for you and bill you for electricity (decent rate too)... Not just trying to plug them, I'm sure there are others (but they don't have a minimum order quantity)
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I’m not smart enough to compete with the margins needed to be profitable, so I spot buy and do other stuff
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Fair enough. At first I was gonna go all in. Now I'm thinking to just use it as a hedge. It's the ultimate long play. Different way to get sats from spot. More r/r
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Have you looked at rigly.io? You can rent hashpower. Will give you experience with the mining pools and minimum withdrawals.
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It depends on what's your starting budget and how much you want to acquire but I'm my opinion generally spot buying is less risky and stable opposed to mining where many things can go wrong...
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I can’t wait to mine one day! I just want to do it to learn and increase my ability to explain the magic of bitcoin to people. Some piece of land somewhere with power I generate myself with some fun way to repurpose the heat. The dream.
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mining is insanely competitive right now, unless you are very experienced and have exceptional access to cheap energy or have additional uses for the heat generated...dont bother with anything more than hobby mining, imo.
with that said i do think every btcer should dabble with personally mining even if just an old s9 or bitaxe, if they can.. its great to learn and control your little sliver of participation in finding the next block πŸ€™
by the,way, reason 1 they gave i dont see that happening anytime soon, and reason 2 there are way better ways to get kyc free btc imo.
let me get this straight,
You are in china, and looking for a US based company for mining?
Dont they have way more expensive energy costs?
I would assume you should look to people based on the east where electricity is way cheaper..
After power is paid at 5.95 cents per kWh we split the profit 50/50. Most profitable during a bear market.
My experiences with online mining are not very good.. DCA would have been better.. But i guess this depends on energy and price behaviour..
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Need your Attention stackers!
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In 2017 I started with mining cause I was dollar thinking human being. Today I prefer spot buy. Home mining is great if you need extra heat, e.g. "free" heater for house or if you're farmer it'd be a perfect heater for your greenhouse
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Buy and hold the coin. Mining is hard and is going to get much harder. Your competition will have a different set of incentives as they seek transaction control rather than coinbase rewards. If you are looking for a business, choose any profitable business, store your profits as bitcoin and measure your business's success on your total stacked value. Make decisions on business growth based on whether your stored stack will increase rather than your gross revenue. Help usher in a new era of rational small businesses owners.
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Buy, cant afford to mine (i mean dont have the equipment to start mining)
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You'll never payback the mining rigs.
Just buy hashrate with bitcoin and get kyc-free sats - rigly.io
  • Auction price discovery = fair price
  • Instant mining
  • No fussing with physical hardware
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Profitability and viability depend entirely on electricity price / is you are able to reuse heat for other purposes.
Will be tough unless you have 0.06 cent power or better.
Could be breakeven for KYC free sats
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Aren't they selling with πŸ’°πŸ’©πŸ’© I can't trust them unless they change it to 'Buy in Sats'. Also the product description is not comprehensive. The idea is good but the mindset should begin with Bitcoin Standards. Only 2 products !!!!
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Hmm, they don't sell miners they host them. Most of your communication is via telegram. I pay only via Bitcoin. And yes, they price in dollars, that's fairly common even for mining rigs. The product description for these are on their twitter where they role it out and show a video. Most of their engagement is twitter, their website isn't the best, but it's just two guys, not some huge public mining company. Let's not subject them to a purity test, they are miners, so by definition that makes them bitcoiners.
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Jihan is a miner too... By that definition, bcash is Bitcoin~~
Just kidding, I get your point.
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I also got your point mate. πŸ˜‚ Haha
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For a avarage person buying btc is better i think
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