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100 sats \ 7 replies \ @Scoresby 2 Apr \ on: Opinionated MSM Community Feedback Summary meta

What is the purpose of rewards on SN?

I've always assumed that they are a way to incentivize content curation and moderation (read zaps) on the site.

Posting and commenting carry their own incentives. But zapping, being anonymous, is really just a "out of the goodness of my heart" kind of thing...

...unless you get rewards for zapping good content.

Rewards provide the incentive for zaps. It's pretty incredible really. One of the several strokes of absolute genius at SN.

17 sats \ 6 replies \ @0b1CoinObi 3 Apr

But zapping, being anonymous, is really just a "out of the goodness of my heart" kind of thing...

The zapping when you are anonymous is a more unscrupulous way of zapping your own posts and gaming the system, especially for bounties. Maybe anon can't zap when the post contains a bounty.

15 sats \ 5 replies \ @Scoresby 3 Apr

I wonder how well that works. I'm not sure how SN handles @anon 's trust score.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @0b1CoinObi 3 Apr

I can understand there being an Anon, but this can lead to abuse of the anonymity that this provides and @anon trust score is meaningless.

Maybe @anon can't zap, they can only post. No gaming the bounty's or your own posts
To post anonymously costs 100 sats. Maybe this could be raised to make sure if you really want to post anonymously then you have to pay big. 200 / 300 sats

Just some ideas to close down the @anon loophole

15 sats \ 3 replies \ @Scoresby 3 Apr

@anon can zap, it's just paying a lightning invoice.

I don't think @anon is a loophole.

However, @anon trust score isn't meaningless. I think (might be wrong on this but don't have the time right now to look it up) zaprank is affected by the trust score of people who zap you.

So if you were to use @anon to zap your own posts, it would only be beneficial if @anon had a good global trust score.

108 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek OP 3 Apr

using this reply to reply to multiple things in this thread

So if you were to use @anon to zap your own posts, it would only be beneficial if @anon had a good global trust score.

@anon zaps have no effect on ranking since they are excluded from the web of trust.

If you use @anon to zap your own posts, you only game the system psychologically since we do show your zap visually in the total sat amount but it's not relevant for ranking. So if someone scrolls through recent, this might have an effect on them.

Zaps from @anon also fund the reward pool since 10% go to it instead of the author (like any other zap). That's what is meant with "sybil resistant" in the FAQ:

To make this feature sybil resistant, SN now takes 10% of zaps and re-distributes them to the SN community as part of the daily rewards.

If you zap @anon, 100% go into the reward pool.

To post anonymously costs 100 sats. Maybe this could be raised to make sure if you really want to post anonymously then you have to pay big. 200 / 300 sats

I am not sure if the first sentence is a statement or a suggestion? If it's a suggestion, that's already the case: comments cost 100 sats. Posts cost 100x the normal fee so depending on the territory, this might be pretty high.

Example for ~bitcoin:

I thought for a long while that @anon is actually too expensive but I get corrected over and over again by all the existing usage of @anon, lol.

15 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 3 Apr

Thanks for the info, @ek! Cool to have it all in one place.

Clearly @anon isn't too expensive, but tbh I have never used it, so I'm not really speaking with skin in the game.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0b1CoinObi 3 Apr

Thanks, good to know that it can't be used to game the system