How do you exchange value with monero if you don't hold value in monero? The idea of being a medium of exchange without being a store of value is nonsense. It must have value stored in it if you want people to give you goods and services in exchange for it.

Back when Bitcoin started people had the same question.

Then darknet markets started using it: it had value and was exchanged for things with Value

Then it started being exchanged for real stuff

Now we’re here.

Bitcoin has been replaced on darknet markets by Monero.

Even Satoshi himself said he wished he could implement the features but lacked the knowledge and also Schnorr Sigs were under a patent while he was already developing Bitcoin.

Again, if you wanna see the macro view, your answer for Monero’s value will be obvious.

Or you could be like the people who denied Bitcoin in its early days, me included, and repeat the mistake.

That’s all. 🙃

"x will grow in value" does not make x a good money. Lots of bad things capture value. Monero is another centrally managed money which unfairly rewards the people who control it. Bitcoin exists to set people free from centrally managed unfair money like monero.

Who are the people that control XMR? And how do they unfairly benefit?

XMR has nodes and miners that follow a set of consensus rules just like BTC does. It's not just another smart contract token with a pre-mine where the contract is loosely defined or able to be changed by a privileged few.

Montero can't be audited. That means it is fundamentally untrustworthy, because you can't verify the inflation peomises. Bitcoin fixed that already.

It can be. Please see XMR sub for how. 🙃

It CAN be audited. However, an inflation bug could exist without being detected. If an inflation bug was exploited in BTC it would be obvious.

As posted in a different comment, Monero uses cryptographic range-proofs to verify supply (nodes verify the range-proofs of each TX). In addition, a Python script to externally audit supply is under development:

Auditing that can't detect an inflation "bug" isn't auditing you can trust.

Agreed. I never hold XMR for more then a couple minutes so if I get debased in that time, it's an acceptable tradeoff for me.

Using a money like a hot potato because of its flaws does not bode well for that money's long term prospects.

Also agree. But it's currently the best choice for privacy as deemed by the markets where privacy is priority.

More darknet markets accept XMR than BTC. The good news is that these markets are always getting shut down and rebuilt so once BTC competes better on privacy, it should be adopted in short order.

Monero is what Bitcoin wants to be.

You are very very misinformed. 🙃

How do you exchange value with monero if you don't hold value in monero?

How do you exchange value with a credit card if you don't hold value in a credit card? Is your question serious?

You hold and exchange value in whatever you want to and when you need the anonymity of Monero you exchange it for Monero, make the Monero transaction and the receiver exchanges it back. It's a tool like a screwdriver.

That being sad, all of Moneros usecases have been solved in Lightning.

You can't receive an LN payment without disclosing your node pubkey (and by extension, all your channels which can be probed to reveal how much money you have). Meanwhile, you can receive XMR and nobody can see your wallet balance. So XMR still has a use case not solved in LN.

Well, send Lightning to custodial BlueWallet or someting and forward to the actual destination

Or send money to and give out the link.

Or send it via swap like

Sure, there's ways to avoid leaking privacy when using BTC. But this requires a deep understanding of the tradeoffs. Meanwhile XMR does privacy by default which is great for people just seeking privacy without a desire to understand tradeoffs.

Avoiding leaking privacy requires a deep understanding, period.

That is a well reasoned and accurate statement 🙃