Here's some of the privacy recommendations from the article for when using proton mail:
For users concerned about privacy, particularly those involved in sensitive or political activities, OPSEC should be a top concern when using privacy tools. It’s advisable to:
Avoid linking recovery emails or phone numbers that can directly tie back to personal identities or primary business activities.
Consider using secondary, disposable emails or virtual phone numbers that offer an additional layer of anonymity.
Use a good VPN service to hide your IP address whenever possible. (Failure to do this is what compromised a Proton Mail user in France who was arrested after after police obtained IP logs.)
Consider purchasing services using an anonymous payment method.
Stay informed about the legal obligations and policies of communication service providers, especially regarding their compliance with international law enforcement requests.
This isnt the first time. Sometimes I think about switching to Tutanota, but that might be more of the same. I actually did a post comparing the two on here a LONG time ago, I think.
Email is not secure. Stories like this are good though. I think Proton is misunderstood. No one is going to jail for you. If you think they will you are kidding yourself. IMO proton is fine but you need to understand what its good for.
while i agree its frustrating, proton is worlds better than gmail for privacy. contents are still encrypted, there is only certain info that is available for authorities to request.
The thing is, with all these tech companies and everything asking for information, eventually something is going to be leaked.
Security will be lost and all the data will flow.
ehh, that's kinda pessimist thinking. The thing is it's free, email is free by gmail, msn, yahoo etc. If everyone self hosted you have true control over your data because now you aren't counting on third parties to convey your message. and email, in general just sucks
Proton mail is still the safest yet it is vulnerable, it's time to find some sovereign place that does not fall under any jurisdiction, so as to avoid any breach in privacy.
Its hard. Maybe they are in the wrong place.
Imagine if they were in UAE, they probably wouldnt have to comply.
I know it is safer than others....I guess we will have to wait and see who else makes something more secure.
I have read it's pretty impossible to engage anyone with self hosting email now. like so many normie email client would just refuse your email or something
Proton even tell you to use their onion service to prevent this.
There is a difference between security/privacy, and anonymity. As we wrote in our public threat model(new window) (published back in 2014), “The Internet is generally not anonymous, and if you are breaking Swiss law, a law-abiding company such as Proton Mail can be legally compelled to log your IP address.” This cannot be changed due to how the internet works. However, we understand this is concerning for individuals with certain threat models, which is why since 2017, we also provide an onion site for anonymous access (we are one of the only email providers that supports this).
Here's some of the privacy recommendations from the article for when using proton mail:
For users concerned about privacy, particularly those involved in sensitive or political activities, OPSEC should be a top concern when using privacy tools. It’s advisable to:
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This isnt the first time. Sometimes I think about switching to Tutanota, but that might be more of the same. I actually did a post comparing the two on here a LONG time ago, I think.
Email is not secure. Stories like this are good though. I think Proton is misunderstood. No one is going to jail for you. If you think they will you are kidding yourself. IMO proton is fine but you need to understand what its good for.
No perfect solution, only trade offs
oh man, does this mean it isnt as private as they say? Gmail might just work the same if they are handing over people. Whats the point of privacy?
while i agree its frustrating, proton is worlds better than gmail for privacy. contents are still encrypted, there is only certain info that is available for authorities to request.
I guess that is a plus, but it still means it is vulnerable.
the answer in the long run is to use email for nothing sensitive ( easier said than done) and hopefulky alternatives get more adoption.
the point is the government can make requests. whereas gmail openly and freely gives the data
The thing is, with all these tech companies and everything asking for information, eventually something is going to be leaked. Security will be lost and all the data will flow.
ehh, that's kinda pessimist thinking. The thing is it's free, email is free by gmail, msn, yahoo etc. If everyone self hosted you have true control over your data because now you aren't counting on third parties to convey your message. and email, in general just sucks
That's an anticlimax.
Proton mail is still the safest yet it is vulnerable, it's time to find some sovereign place that does not fall under any jurisdiction, so as to avoid any breach in privacy.
Its hard. Maybe they are in the wrong place. Imagine if they were in UAE, they probably wouldnt have to comply. I know it is safer than others....I guess we will have to wait and see who else makes something more secure.
I think the only way out is self-host your own email server
I have read it's pretty impossible to engage anyone with self hosting email now. like so many normie email client would just refuse your email or something
How would that work? You'd need a domain, which would link to your IP address, no?
I'm not sure but this may help.
#174042
Satoshi Nakamoto bought bitcoin.org and netcoin.org anonymously somehow.
https://www.city-journal.org/article/signals-katherine-maher-problem
Proton even tell you to use their onion service to prevent this.
https://proton.me/blog/climate-activist-arrest