BREAKING: Arrest of suspected developer of Tornado Cashwww.fiod.nl/arrest-of-suspected-developer-of-tornado-cash/
1178 sats \ 36 comments \ @marcoverna 12 Aug 2022 bitcoin
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475 sats \ 9 replies \ @Spartan 12 Aug 2022
We are entering into a highly adversarial environment. Learn the various tools, practice using them.
Run your own node over tor. The time for fucking around is over.
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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @shyfire 12 Aug 2022
I run my own node over TOR and I2P. What else? Whirlpool could get shut down, so joinmarket and two-person coinjoins.
If I was Vitalik I would pull the plug on the merge given this news.
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121 sats \ 5 replies \ @2big2fail 13 Aug 2022
i don't think whirlpool will be able to stand up against a state attack as most use it with doxxed xpubs
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1 sat \ 4 replies \ @nout 13 Aug 2022
Agreed... having anonymity set of 1000 doesn't help you if someone has enough resources to interrogate 999 people.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @shyfire 14 Aug 2022
Yeah, or issue those dragnet surveillance court orders that can easily target 999 people at once. But I think the whirlpool anonset is larger than 1000, and how does mixing multiple rounds affect it?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @nout 14 Aug 2022
One round is at most x5, so 2 rounds are 25, 3 rounds 125, 4 round 625...
(it's a bit more complicated and the details of the transactions matter, some people will send multiple utxos, some people will mess up after, etc)
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @shyfire 15 Aug 2022
Yeah there are x5 outputs in a mix, but there are also 5 inputs. At least 3 inputs, but up to 4, are premix and at least 1, but up to 2 are remixers. So I don't think it's as simple as your math.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 15 Aug 2022
This tool looks useful https://code.samourai.io/whirlpool/whirlpool_stats
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3 sats \ 1 reply \ @tech5 12 Aug 2022
Why given this news?
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111 sats \ 0 replies \ @1sats 13 Aug 2022
Once ETH moves to PoS, who ever controls the Ethereum foundation controls Ethereum blockchain.
The Gov/left can take over Ethereum foundation just like what they did to Linus of Linux foundation and RMS of FSF.
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170 sats \ 0 replies \ @mathbit 12 Aug 2022
This is terrible for the open source community...
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227 sats \ 1 reply \ @ken 12 Aug 2022
They arrested the developer of Tornado Cash I bet they'll give him more than a lash Detained for running code in a terminal, like bash This is sure to cause a big splash
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @mikhael 12 Aug 2022
Detained for helping criminals hide their stash
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246 sats \ 2 replies \ @derekross 12 Aug 2022
this is very much fucked up. even if you don't like ethereum, you shouldn't be able to arrest someone for code. code is speech. now, if he was personally involved in money laundering, then that's different. as of right now, we don't know the charges. if he's arrested for writing code, that sets a really bad precedent and anything bitcoin related could become a target.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @1sats 13 Aug 2022
I am talking my wife into relocating to Miami for our own safety.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tech5 13 Aug 2022
Why Miami?
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116 sats \ 0 replies \ @kim 12 Aug 2022
Privacy is so dead in Europe
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115 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryptocoin 12 Aug 2022
It is suspected that persons behind this organisation have made large-scale profits from these transactions.
Multiple arrests are not ruled out.
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87 sats \ 0 replies \ @badabing 12 Aug 2022
I guess this is it guys. Here we go...
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51 sats \ 0 replies \ @2big2fail 12 Aug 2022
i wonder if there is something much deeper here that is actually criminal that we are not being told
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @om 12 Aug 2022
I spoke with the government official listed on the arrest page on the phone. She at least claimed that merely developing Tornado Cash means you are actively facilitating money laundering.
https://nitter.it/getsqt/status/1558083286827761664
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @pi 12 Aug 2022
First, they came for tornado cash…
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ncryppt 12 Aug 2022
Curious, would it be possible for law enforcement to go after UTXO's that come from bitcoin mixers such as wasabi and samourai? Should we be cautious with mixing now?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sandbeach123old 12 Aug 2022
I do not trust myself to be that careful when using my addresses, although I have never used mixers. I would just use lightning for payments. IMHO.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @BitcoinMaximan 12 Aug 2022
Why not arrest bitcoin and ethereum developers then?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @super_testnet 12 Aug 2022
Um they are? That's literally the headline
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52 sats \ 1 reply \ @BitcoinMaximan 12 Aug 2022
Well no, it seems they are making a difference between an application (Tornado cash) and base layer (ethereum). They banned github repo, why not ban ethereum which also publicly holds the contract? A case could be made that if a tornado cash developer enabled criminal activity (or whatever the charge is), every ethereum developer also did it. Vitalik too, why not arrest him?
Instead, this is the government formally embracing ethereum base layer, and saying "we call the shots here, we decide what runs on it or what doesn't ".
They are actually policing the blockchain, which means they own it.
Mark my words, ethereum will soon be our biggest enemy.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @aljaz 15 Aug 2022
because they will create a precedent with this case and then start coming for the rest, much less outcry when its something "used by baddies" first
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TheBTCManual 12 Aug 2022
Looks like the fight is coming to our doorstep, they've already gone after the monero fluffy pony guy in the past now this dude, this will be a real test for how robust protocols are and how good peoples opsec is when creating and using privacy tech
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @alex_lewin 12 Aug 2022
Incredibly scary precedent. Seems like an ex post facto crime.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @mikhael 12 Aug 2022
If a business facilitates money laundering, theft and crime - it will be investigated and pursued by law enforcement.
Wake up fools - if you think your ‘privacy’ is more important than punishing crime, then you obviously have lived a quiet, spoiled life without any speed bumps whatsoever.
The developers should have stopped developing these tools once they started being regularly used to obfuscate the proceeds from hacks, malware attacks and other cyber crimes.
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477 sats \ 1 reply \ @om 12 Aug 2022
your ‘privacy’ is more important than punishing crime
Yes
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50 sats \ 0 replies \ @pony 12 Aug 2022
based
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1133 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 12 Aug 2022
Fed
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Wil 12 Aug 2022
A sad day
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @GRIN 12 Aug 2022 freebie
As others have said, use privacy-protecting tools. Crimes will be punished as per the system that dictates it so. The laws of many countries, where enforced, will investigate this sort of thing. If the developers also transacted in a so-called illegal way, then they can be caught and 'punished'. Free market after all.