I’m thinking on running umbrel but I would like to read from the experts here
Thanks I am on the same journey here.
I have used Umbrel, Citadel, Start9. Each have pros and cons. About to try rolling my own stack which is a little above my comfort level.
Would also like to hear from anyone on current best practices.
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What are the pros and cons of umbrel?
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Will echo what @DarthCoin says and give a little more feedback.
Umbrel/Citadel/Start9 are basically the same thing just polished interfaces for the individual software.
  • Start9 is extremely polished and you can tell they are trying to build a commercial product. Less apps to play with but they barely work on the other platforms anyway so I appreciate that decision.
  • Umbrel is clearly the most popular, trying to appeal to everyone and build a community. Most apps. But I ended up having to do so much configuration manually I might as well run the individual programs myself.
  • Citadel is on the right track trying to get the best of both worlds. But looks like there is only a single developer chasing down every little thing. And still not perfect out of the box so needs TLC. I'm keeping my eye on it.
Note that I am trying to run on an actual Ubuntu computer. I want some more performance and flexibility than the Rasberry Pi otherwise I would stick with Start9 no question.
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Indeed. I didn't want to discourage the use of these bundles. No, not at all, I just want to warn new users about one important aspect of running a node:
WHY, what is the purpose and destination of running a node?
  • you want only for learning?
  • you want for production/developing?
  • you want to play around/testing?
  • you want for commercial use?
For each of these there's a solution. But choose wisely.
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Since Linux on ARM (like Raspberry Pi) is barely serviced, and also since PI's prices have skyrocketed in recent years (something to do with a supply chain crunch?) it's a much better option to buy a not-too-old laptop and install Ubuntu + BTC + CLN.
That way, your setup will also have a built-in UPS.
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Steps to do:
  1. Install Linux Debian
  2. Install bitcoin core with daemon
  3. install CLN (Core LN)
  4. Install CLBoss plugin
  5. Install Electrum Server (EPS or Electrs)
This is a strong base for a strong node on that laptop
Optional if you want Tor and other apps (RTL, LNbits, BTCpay etc)
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Thanks! One more thing… why you think umbrel is not convenient?
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  1. Umbrel is just a nice web interface, is not a node software.
  2. After v 0.5.x they fucked badly all the "internal affairs" of that bundle. Was a promising bundle, but is not anymore...
  3. Being a huge bundle will always have issues with apps and also those apps will not be updated
  4. Any personalization change you will want to do will depend a lot of how is constructed the bundle.
  5. umbrel is more for noobs with a Pi that just want to discover and learn stuff about running a node. If you want a serious node, DIY.
You have been warned.
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