63 sats \ 14 replies \ @Undisciplined 5 Sep \ on: Returning to SN after a break, with a new nym. mostly_harmless
Welcome back!
Are you hopping on the beans-and-greens bandwagon? There's plenty of room and it's a much cheaper ride.
My mom's high cholesterol immediately resolved after she cut way back on animal products, while my dad's health has gotten noticeably worse since going carnivore.
Thank you!
I used to follow a plant based diet a long time ago, and it was great during the summer, but not so great during winter times. The Carnivore diet seemed to be the solution, it helped me lose all the extra weight i had accumulated during the lockdowns, and i also stopped binge eating, but now I have to rethink everything.
During our recent holidays, I had plenty of salad, huge portions, and felt great all the time, almost instantly! But I still love red meat, lol.
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It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Let us know what you decide to do and why. I think there's a lot of interest in this stuff.
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Yeah, balance is key. There is plenty of scientific evidence for that. The Mediterranean diet has proven it's worth too.
If you wanna go extreme, fully carnivore for instance, you're basically relying on anecdotical evidence. You're a guinea pig as science hasn't fully grasped the effects of such extreme diets in the long term. Not saying there aren't benefits, just that things aren't clear yet. And you just seemed to have experienced some of the disadvantages of such a diet.
I prefer sticking with what is known to work.
Cutting out most processed food and sugars is probably the best thing you can do.
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There's a whole chapter in the book The Big Fat Surprise about the Mediterranean diet. Very interesting, how the whole idea came about (to support olive oil producers) and how research has been twisted to support it. It appears that much of the research that shows benefits for the Mediterranean diet is because it's very low sugar.
I definitely agree that no processed foods or sugars is far better than the SAD (Standard American Diet).
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Cutting out most processed food and sugars is probably the best thing you can do.
This is usually my advice to people. I'd probably add seed oils to that list now, although you have to know which ones are actually a problem.
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I found it easier to cut out processed food on a carnivore diet.
After a huge steak, you have enough fuel for many hours, and there is no room left for anything else. It's like doing an intermittent fast, and I suspect this is why it works, at least initially.
This is harder to achieve with a plant based diet during the winter times, and probably explains why many vegan influencers on Youtube tend to move to warmer climates to maintain their lifestyles
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It's interesting that you feel that way about a vegan diet. My favorite vegan meals are more winter than summer foods. We eat a lot of hot soups and curries, which are quite filling.
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Interesting. If I'm not mistaken, this looks similar to what the late Dr. Mc Dougall used to recommend. I have found one of his books in my bookshelf a few days ago, and will reread it for more inspiration.
Tbh, I was actually more fruitarian/raw-foodist. I usually just say vegan, because fruitarianism and rawfoodism are quite niche, and most people i know have never heard of it.
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I've heard of pretty much any fringe health thing you could name. I get the idea behind raw, but fruitarian never made nutritional sense to me. That said, the only fruitarian I've ever met was in great shape and extremely active, so maybe it's just my lack of understanding.
I can definitely see why that diet would be more of a summer thing.
I'm sorry that your dad's health has gotten worse on carnivore. If you care to give any specifics, I'd be interested, and perhaps could offer some advice. I've been carnivore for more than 10 months, and would never go back, it's been a huge positive in many different areas of my health.
I've had a few oddball things happen as I've been on carnivore, which appear to be coming from oxalate dumping, which is a whole different topic. A close family member had some weird symptoms after switching overnight to 100% carnivore, turned out that was oxalate dumping as well, and some adjustments to add a little bit of oxalates resolved the issues.
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He doesn't really share the details of either his diet or his health with me. I would be surprised if he was doing it correctly and he also has plenty of preexisting health issues, so I'm not even attributing the changes to the diet.
I was familiar with "keto flu" from my in-laws experience with going keto, so I was expecting the initial illness he had. Now he's several months in and has clearly gained weight, as well as showing some new odd cognitive symptoms (almost pre-dementia type symptoms).
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