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Shouldn't we then also make people pay to read?
Unless we trust the content producer, or whoever is asking us to pay (curator, distributor, publisher), we won't be willing to make upfront payments. I think paywalls are less effective in places where there are low barriers to publishing and pseudonymity is encouraged.
For strong identities, including pseudonyms, paywalls can work. It lets the reader know what you'd like to be paid, makes it inconvenient for them to get the content otherwise, and they can't "forget" to zap at the end.
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Yes, I find paywalls annoying and must be highly motivated to overcome them.
But this leaves us with no incentive beyond wanting to reward an poster/commenter and "generally encourage more content of this type." This sounds to me like an externality, a lot like a factory dumping effluent into a river without regard for people downstream.
Rewards are a way of bringing the externality back into the market.
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Rewards system was good until now. That's how you attracted stackers.
But is time to move on and find better ways to keep stackers posting on SN.
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Let's see how SN will deal with rewards after 5th of Nov...
I doubt that will be able to have a proper p2p system that could work.
Otherwise is going back to cowboy credits.
I stand my ground: separate v4v p2p zaps from SN upvotes (CC) and let the free market do its thing.
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That's shitcoinery.
For example: why should I pay you to read my Bitcoin guides, when I am the one that provide you something useful for you ?
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That is something else.
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When I want to read a book, I know about that book prior, from a review, from a snippet or let me read 1st chapter.
So if I really want to read that book, even with pay per read, I will pay gladly because I want it.
Pay to post in a public forum is different than a book.
When I want to say something publicly, I should pay to say that something. Why? Because if that forum is not mine, I use their infrastructure, their time to code it and maintain it. It is a payment for a service platform.
Ah... that comes the part where readers of my post want to reward me for what I am saying, that is another part, that have nothing to do with the forum platform founders and must be separate.
Another thing is when I give FREE to read education guides. People will pay only if they consider it valuable and the amount they want or consider that save their time.
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This is an interesting distinction. I heartily agree with your emphasis on the importance of paying to post in a forum. It's possible that the reason most of the great internet forums have gone extinct or been turned into monsters (looking at you reddit) is because they couldn't figure this out.
My fear with v4v is that it will not amount to enough of an income stream for content creators and that they will have to look elsewhere: ads, paywalls, subscriptions.
I'm not saying posting on a forum should result in a full time income, but I am very much uncertain about the role v4v will play in actually incentivizing really good content.
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This meme is funny, but when I made it back in 2022, I put inside many secret words, for those that pay attention to details.
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See all the spam stupid comments from Bell_curve in this post?
He's trying to reply to everybody trashing me.
In a real V4V system he couldn't do that. Will be too costly for him.
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I can trash you by myself
Let’s build a system based on personal vendetta and pettiness
Instead of building your citadel you should pivot to your new idea
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