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2683 sats \ 50 comments \ @denlillaapan 4h Politics_And_Law

The left's alleged 'anti-civilizational' attitudes weren't defeated during Trump's first term. Rather,** they accelerated in opposition to him. Cancel culture, political correctness, "wokeism," and "follow the science" fanaticism all hit their zenith under his administration.

This is an unbelievably stupid way to reason about politics: let the other side's unruly kids win so they don't throw worse tantrums.

Also, this is a hopelessly incorrect description of what's up with wokeism/leftism-gone-nuts and that regardless of what happens today and tomorrow, ESG+woke+transgenderism is dying anyway.

Still, I fear our Reason friend might be right: A Trump win accelerates the culture wars.

https://reason.com/2024/11/05/bad-candidates-cant-fix-bad-politics/

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183 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 4h

If the current trajectory is waning wokeism, wouldn't an acceleration put an end to it faster?

That might just be pedantic nit-picking (which I'm famously in favor of).

92 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 3h

always a fan of nit-picking -- accuracy is a virtue!

Hm, no I think the point is that wokeism got lifeblood from opposition, so it basically received a boost from hating a verifiably Bad Man. So voting in him again would send us down a similar 2016-2022 wokeness cycle. Whereas if you vote in the woke kids, wokeness keeps dying.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 3h

I take the point, but I don't find it compelling. I don't think there was genuine popular enthusiasm for the woke stuff and people are mostly glad to see it go away.

There's a broader version of this argument, though, that I find completely plausible: The left/establishment/regime will have some insane reaction to Trump winning that has a similarly toxic impact on our culture as the woke stuff did.

71 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 2h

To me it's not accelerating wokeism that I fear, it's Trump Derangement Syndrome.

That is, 3-letter agencies are willing to take any and all actions against Trump, no matter how unethical, and regular people looking the other way because it's Trump.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2h

That could definitely escalate and since it never really died down "acceleration" would be an accurate descriptor.

I've been anticipating the Fed letting the bottom fall out of the economy if Trump wins. That might be a better way to disrupt his administration than more hysterical overreactions to him as a person.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 36m

Burn it all down.

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52 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3h

Wokeism isn't an organic thing that just happened culturally, it's the product of a massively resourced psychological operation.

Let's believe for a moment the people really afraid of Trump, they claim he'll use the military to send them to gitmo for sedition. If the fascist hammer they're afraid of really comes to be, they won't be around any longer to organize those psyops, and wokeism will largely disappear... some won't heal but they won't be effective without a head on the snake.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DesertDave 35m

Did you know that almost no one is actually willing to kill another human?

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 3m

Not sure I follow the reference, but also disagree with the sentiment

People will kill if they can feel good about themselves doing it, which usually involves an abstraction... Most people just don't want to get their hands dirty because there's no abstraction to blame when a mistake is made

If we want less violence that's important psychology to understand

52 sats \ 3 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 4h

Someone, in analyzing why the New York Times -- a very obviously left-wing publication -- kept emphasizing Harris mistakes and running editorials that seemed to undercut their own beliefs, noted that the circulation of the paper between 2016-2020 was incredibly high, so they'd actually benefit from a Trump presidency (as long as they maintained the facade of still being against him).

There's always power in opposition. It goes in both directions; we'll see more woke/left stuff under Trump, just as we're seeing more opposition to leftism under Biden/Harris (and saw the Tea Party under Obama). It makes sense; people fight harder when they're losing, get complacent when they're winning.

It's never about the short-term, though. It's about where things eventually end up.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 34m

It's all going to be okay.

Look over there

It's a a new way

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 3h

well, the NYT was actually pretty good for a while there in 2016-17 -- promising to cover more viewpoints and more of the country and featuring conservatives etc. (the Bari Weiss era, let's say).

Then they collapsed and doubled-down on insanity

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SimpleStacker 1h

"Doubling down on insanity" is an apt description of the last 8 years

79 sats \ 4 replies \ @grayruby 4h

It's good for whiny children to learn the world does not bend to their every non-sensical whim. Let them cry it out.

40 sats \ 2 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 3h

truly. @realBitcoinDog has some parenting advice on this

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @realBitcoinDog 2h

My daughter is an angel. She’s going to grow up knowing Daddy will give her whatever she wants!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 32m

🤷‍♂️

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40 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 33m

Shhhh. I don't want to hear that. Then it wouldn't be all about me!!

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64 sats \ 6 replies \ @028559d218 2h

In my humble opinion you are all wrong. Trump is no friend to Bitcoin. In the long run, his scams and poor character will hurt bitcoin more than it will help.

And as far as the 'woke' stuff that you don't agree with... At least the other choice (dems, kamala, etc) don't want to give everything to the Coinbase-Crypto-Casino by deregulating ungistered securities.

We need 'real reforms' and real education as to what Bitcoin is and why it's money. D Trump doesn't provide any of that, and any attempt to justify his ignorance and scams (NFTs, World Liberty Financial, Trump shoes etc) hurts Bitcoin it does not help it.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 32m

Ain't no body no friends wit no policicalishian. Okkkk

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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @denlillaapan OP 2h

Which do you think is better for the world and bitcoin educ, the David Bailey & co having a direct line to the president vs Kamala continuing operation chokepoint 2.0?

30 sats \ 3 replies \ @028559d218 2h

It's not Shitcoins and the greenlight to Coinbase to 10x the Shitcoin Casino. Trump is not a Bitcoiner.

All Trump's 'crypto buddies' want deregulation of crypto NOT to help Bitcoin - but to pump Coinbase a giant crypto-casino and they want to be able to do this without going to jail or being sued by the SEC.

I want reforms around Bitcoin, especially around Capital Gains Taxes and commerce as much as anyone so that Bitcoin can be used as intended. But I also believe that D Trump is not the answer.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 31m

Trump is NOT a bitcoiner

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @denlillaapan OP 2h

that doesn't trouble me one bit. Shitcoinery is a one-way funnel to bitcoin.

I'd much rather have these dickheads wallow around in the shitcoin casinos than the heavy hand of government ban/regulate/tax-the-shit-out-of everything.

Of course Orange Man isn't "the answer" for Orange Coin, but between two asshats where one is seemingly favorable and one is seemingly hostile, which should a sane, orange Bitcoiner pick?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 25m

I'm not sure... that Shitcoinery is a funnel to Btc. It may be... or may not be. Now I'm not that sure honestly.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 29m

I vote for - This is the best meme 2024 💊

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 52m

100%

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 27m

And you don't even have to go to the polls

Just stack harder

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 28m

Yep. This one. ☝️☝️☝️ Hey everyone. This one. It's an illusion.

Not

Real

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110 sats \ 4 replies \ @7e6e393a56 58m

I am impressed with the USA. They export their great culture, which is undeniable (music, literature and films); but also how they export the waste they manufacture. Woke culture arrived overwhelmingly in Western countries. Trump will certainly face enormous pressure, especially from the artistic class.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 26m

No comment

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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @028559d218 52m

be careful what you ask for. Russia and China, generally speaking have no tolerance for the cultural and economic independence of their citizens. The United States does.

Just because you disagree with it, does not mean that the fact you can disagree with it is worthless. In fact it is worth everything and is what the United States stands for.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @7e6e393a56 33m

I think you expanded too much on what I wrote. I only mentioned Woke culture. For me, everyone has the right to express themselves, but woke culture divides people more than it brings them together. There is no point in the cause being legitimate if the approach is catastrophic.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @028559d218 24m

The pendulum swings one way... then it swings the other way. The freedom 'for it to swing' is the important thing. I understand what you're saying.

120 sats \ 1 reply \ @Roll 39m

I fear that he can eat an apple

ahahah

Symbol of love: The apple is known as the fruit of love and has been used since time immemorial to express affection and passion. In Greek mythology, Dionysus offers apples to Aphrodite, in order to win her heart and love.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 26m

What happens after he eats it?

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110 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 1h

Let’s accelerate the culture wars so we can crush the enemy and impose a Carthaginian settlement

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 19m

Carthaginian peace (not settlement)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 25m

Let's goooo!

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11 sats \ 5 replies \ @Satosora 4h

I just fear he is going to do something stupid. Like warp speed another covid vaccine.

44 sats \ 3 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 4h

The man is so obviously on the road to senility -- possibly moreso than Biden -- that there's no way he's doing anything on his own. It'll come down to whoever has control over him.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 24m

That shit was in my nightmare just last night.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 24m

A demon for sure. So disgusting.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 25m

Nah. They gotta cook a new virus first.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 36m

There is nothing to fear

Bitcoin is here

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DesertDave 3h

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

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