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Do you think BOLT12 improves receiver privacy on lightning "enough"?
Would it maybe even be enough that we might see DNMs use lightning payments instead of Monero?
If not, do you think DNMs will ever use lightning?
And what about silent payments? Not private enough for DNMs?
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  1. Yes, it's a fantastic tool that (due to blinded paths) has a massive effect on making LN more private. Not sure I would say it's "enough" as other critical problems remain, i.e. most people using custodians, those not using custodians using wallets that do server-side path finding, and those not using those still using a few central LSPs and thus having most payments not benefit from onion routing.
  2. Not at all, LN's complexity for proper self-custodial usage makes it a non-starter, I don't expect to ever see a large DNM that supports LN, much less exclusively uses it. DNM vendors and customers want one thing -- privacy with little hassle. Monero is FAR superior at providing that and LN can't really ever come close due to it's architectural complexity.
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10 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek 22 Nov
Thanks, lightning is definitely a lot more complicated than Monero. I didn't consider that for some reason, lol but it makes a lot of sense.
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Of course, thanks for the great question :)
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 22 Nov
Btw, I've updated my comment with a question about silent payments, not sure if you've seen it before you replied.
But I think the same answer applies: monero is still easier to use privately than bitcoin with silent payments, am I right?
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Ah, no, I didn't see that! They're definitely a good fit for DNMs as they can really simplify the address UX and cut down on the need for server infra.
However, they don't work right now with multisig (they require MuSig) so it will be some time before it's technically possible for them to use on multisig-backed platforms.
To clarify though -- Silent Payments are really a UX improvement that merely improves privacy by enforcing the "no address reuse" basic privacy practice on Bitcoin w/o requiring extra server infra.
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Monero is FAR superior at providing that and LN can't really ever come close due to it's architectural complexity.
@remindme in 3 years
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