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The #NobelPrize in Physics 2024 for Hopfield & Hinton turns out to be a Nobel Prize for plagiarism. They republished methodologies developed in #Ukraine and #Japan by Ivakhnenko and Amari in the 1960s & 1970s, as well as other techniques, without citing the original inventors.

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I won't say anything about Physics Nobel Prizes but this reminded me of two anecdotes:
People here love Cryptography. One of the most groundbreaking and fundamental ideas in cryptography was when Shannon "invented" the One-Time-Pad in the 40s.
Unfortunately there already was a guy called Vigenère in the 1500s who discovered the same thing. The story is not quite as interesting as the next anecdote because Shannon was aware of Vigenère and bitwise xor is only kind of the same thing as letter permutations but nonetheless a rediscovery of a thing that already existed.
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Second anecdote is the Fast Fourier Transform. You might know what FFT is because it was groundbreaking in the 60s. It revolutionized everything. From wireless communication to earthquake detection to weather to chemistry - the FFT algorithm is EVERYWHERE.... Except it wasn't discovered in the 60s. Our old friend Mr Gauß discvoered/invented it in 1805 but it was in Latin
J. W. Cooley and John TukeyGauss

Conclusion

Anyway, I won't say anything about whether Schmidhuber discovered blatant plagiarism in this years NobelPrize in Physics or if mankind is just doomed to rediscover and rediscover and rediscover stuff from the 60s but let me say this:
My personal favorite way out of this dilemma is building AGI. Let us build an artificial intelligence that surpasses human intelligence. That can discover things and write papers such that humans spend their time reproducing results and verifying is instead. An all knowing computer that will tell us everything about a subject such that the smartest people on earth (like Nobel Prize winning physicist) don't waste decades of their lives with stuff that was already discovered - these things should be 1 Google search or AI prompt away, not decades.
Anyway, here are some pics from Neon Genesis Evangelion so you guys can feel as inspired as I am
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There is quite a bit of stuff written that isnt well understood. Even if you were to read davincis journals, you wouldnt be able to understand all that he wrote. You would have to be at the same level of knowledge to simply grasps the concepts he was imagining at the time.
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Reminds me of some work i did at the end of my thesis. I was looking into some magnetic field effects in a new material that every one was working on. It felt like i was truly making some new discovery. It was true, except for the fact that similar effects had been extensively studied in the 80s on some similar materials. My material was new, not so much the physics. However, except for people who bothered looking up the old papers, it was like two parallel worlds. In the end, i could go further in my discoveries thanks to those old papers, so it wasn't a waste of time. But i saw new papers coming out unaware of those old works. If not for those new works, those old works from the 80s might have disappeared into oblivion.
Science really is a matter of discovery and rediscovery. The matter of attribution is important, not so much for the science itself which sometimes needs the right person to take care of PR, but from an ethical point of view. Those two can live on two different planes though, for better or worse.
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You got me with "here are some pics from Neon Genesis Evangelion" ... MAGI
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek 7 Dec
People here love Cryptography. One of the most groundbreaking and fundamental ideas in cryptography was when Shannon "invented" the One-Time-Pad in the 40s.
Unfortunately there already was a guy called Vigenère in the 1500s who discovered the same thing.
Do you mean the Vigenère cipher that was considered unbreakable for a long time?
Encrypting with the Vigenère cipher is not the same as encrypting with One-Time-Pads. Maybe you mean that OTP encryption is like encrypting with an infinitely long Vigenère key. Similar idea but different application imo.
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Yeah, read one sentence further than what you quoted :)
Vigenères did write about more than what universities teach as "THE Vigenère cipher". Including some vague (common for the time period) stuff about the length of substitution blocks, length of cleartext, length of what we would now call secret key.
In my book it doesn't really matter tho. He was basically there in my view. No need to split hairs.
Edit: There is also a lot of creative stuff from both world wars about symmetric encryption with throwaway-keys. In my view these approaches are also basically there. They just haven't haven't written it explicitly in a generalized manner.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 7 Dec
I did read further but I think you’re right. I think I was in a mood for nitpicking 👀
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From perplexity ai
Blaise de Vigenère (1523–1596) was a French diplomat, cryptographer, and scholar. Born in Saint-Pourçain, France, he was educated in Paris and began his career in diplomacy, serving as a secretary to various French nobles and as an ambassador in Rome[4][5]. Vigenère is best known for the cipher named after him, although it was originally invented by Giovan Battista Bellaso[1]. His notable work, Traicté des chiffres, published in 1586, described this polyalphabetic cipher method[1][2]. Beyond cryptography, Vigenère wrote extensively on alchemy, astrology, and the Kabbalah[2][4].
Sources [1] Blaise de Vigenère Describes What is Later ... - History of Information https://www.historyofinformation.com/detail.php?id=1678 [2] Vigenère, Blaise de° | Encyclopedia.com https://www.encyclopedia.com/religion/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/vigenere-blaise-dedeg [3] [PDF] Blaise de Vigenere http://www.cdpa.co.uk/UoP/HoC/Lectures/HoC_08h.PDF [4] Blaise de Vigenère - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_de_Vigen%C3%A8re [5] 4.2 BLAISE DE VIGENÈRE - Computer Security and ... - O'Reilly https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/computer-security-and/9780471947837/sec4.2.html
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Some of the X comments are funny
Silence is rediscovering.
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It's just like nutrition, eat what your grandma calls real food.
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I dislike the sentiment because people nowadays have longer life expectancy. You can eat a wider variety of fruits, nuts and vegetables than your grandma.
Also has nothing to do with the post
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Lately, I’ve been noticing that humanity may have discovered a lot of things already, and they have simply been forgotten or erased.